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Before we settle on a long rest, Poljen is waiting to see what we can learn about the bad guys with his spyglass from the tower again. I will post about that shortly. Oh, and can Onwen look at the ring and whistle Poljen recovered?

Now one other question: Can those of us who went topside still get the benefit of the extra healing from the bard? If so, I will attach my 2d4 here. Thanks!

Edited: PaulNelson on 29th Mar, 2017 - 8:33pm

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So I take it you guys are going for a long rest? Or just the short one?

If Poljen and the others go back down where the music can be heard when you do finish running about and get your rest, yes, you can get the 2d4.

Onwen is very quickly able to determine that neither ring nor whistle have any special properties save for the whistle being fairly efficient at hurting your companion's eardrums.

The symbol on the ring does have some significance that Lia is aware of, Kyr said she'd be sharing that info with the group shortly.

It should be noted that Lia still needs to be relatively quiet for a full 8 hours to get the long rest benefit. She just typically spends less of her nights actually zonked out. The need to sleep and the need for a long rest often coincide, but they are not quite the same thing.

Edited: daishain on 29th Mar, 2017 - 9:03pm

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Daishain, I thought that elves only needed the four hour trance to get credit for a full rest. That is what it states in the elf section in the PHB.

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It states that elves only need the 4 hour trance to get the benefit others get from 8 hours of sleep.

The benefit of 8 hours of sleep is… avoiding exhaustion and potentially other consequences as determined by the Dungeon Master.

Sleep and trancing often coincide with a long rest, as the first two activities qualify for the last, but they're very specifically listed as separate things.

I know, its weird, and among the things I've considered tacking onto my list of houserules. But as it stands…

Edited: daishain on 29th Mar, 2017 - 9:57pm

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I see your point and agree with you. That is bad rules writing to me. I was thinking that she could trance for 4 hours and stand watch the rest of the night so the others could sleep more. She can still only be active for two hours just like anyone else. The whole four hour trance thing seems pointless though. 4 hour trance then 2 hours standing watch. Then 2 more hours just awake but not able to stand watch. I wish they would clean that up a little. They might as well say that elves meditate instead of sleep and not mention the 4 hours. How often does the exhaustion and lack of sleep really matter? Not too much that I've ever seen.

Edited: Kyrroeth on 29th Mar, 2017 - 10:15pm

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I will say that she is free to be a bit more active than most in the remaining four hours, including standing watch if she wishes. She just won't be able to pack up and hit the road or start fighting again until everyone else is ready to do so as well. Fair enough?

And yeah, I get the feeling the Trance ability was included solely because elves have had that ability for a long time in Dungeons & Dragons history, but they were worried about a lot of primary casters other than warlocks going for elf just so they could get their spell slots back midday more easily.

Edited: daishain on 29th Mar, 2017 - 10:23pm

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I agree with that. That's a fair compromise. I honestly thought before this that 4 hours was all she needed the way it was written. Sorry for the confusion. I'm not trying to get an advantage over other players. It would be helpful to let others sleep more. She will stop for the night etc when everyone else does.

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So, are we going with a long rest or a short rest. I don't think everyone gave their preference. Right now some look to be thinking long rest and others short. Did I miss the decision? It's quite possible I missed a post.