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On a spiritual level do you think we have anything to fear from the spreading of Islam? Will it one day be preached on our door step - possibly by force? I was once in a conference (1992) where Hugh W. Pinnock was in attendance - he said that the Brethren was quite concerned with the growth of the Muslim population - I was taken aback by the statement. Could he have been possibly talking about some future event?

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This is very hard to answer, anything to fear from what?. I don't think it will reach the day that it will be preached by force, but I may be wrong, I haven't read any prophecies or material concerning this.

He could have meant so many things by that statement, maybe the Brethren were concern the fact that our Church would not grow as faster as the Islam, but again we don't know for sure what Bro. Pinnock meant by such statement.

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As you are all probably aware, I try to keep close track on what is happening in the Middle East. I have changed my views on Islam dramatically over the last 10 or so years. Now, I am very concerned about it.

It is NOT a religion of peace. There are plenty of people who adhere to it who are peaceful, and use their religion to preach peace. But there are so many problem areas, including the basic assumptions about human nature, the relationship of humans to diety, and the relationships between humans that are so foreign to all of the West and all other types of belief, that we should all be concerned.

For example, I found a very disturbing article in FrontPage magazine yesterday. It goes into great detail about the dysfunctional family relationships that are common within the Muslim communities, because of the way the religion teaches men to deal with women. The article claims that sexual abuse of children is almost pandemic. That it is absolutely normal for little girls (and boys) to be raped as young as 5 years old, and to use them as the common outlet for sexuality among all the males of the family until they are in their adolescence. I already knew that female circumcision is common among all Muslim cultures, and frequently includes severe mutilation of little girls.

So, Islam is a very dangerous force within the world today.

As far as it relates to the Church, I agree, there doesn't seem to be much prophecy about the Muslim peoples. All the indications I have gotten have been that China and Russia will be the major threats to the US.

But it seems to me that the Arab/Muslim countries will be some of the driving forces for the tribulations to come. For example, Isaiah speaks extensively about an Assyrian King, who most people identify as the Antichrist of Revelation. Iraq contains Assyria.

We do know that Israel will face many horrible challenges. Islam is where all of those challenges are arising at the moment. I, personally, believe that a day will come where the Muslim nations will gather their armies against Israel in a full scale attack, and Israel will wipe them out, possibly with nuclear weapons. Then, with the vast majority of the Muslim men out of the picture, there will be some peace in that region, while Europe and Asia begin to attack Israel for defending itself.

So, once again, I see Islam as being a trigger for many more wars, as well as being a danger of itself.

Just my opinion.

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It is my understanding that there is a passage in the Kuran that says if a muslim converts to another religion, kill them. I saw a show where two former muslims, who are now christians said that in the middle east if a muslim converts to christianity they are buried to their waste in the village square in their burial clothes and then stoned to death for having converted. They felt fortunate that since they were living in the US all their father did was disown the.

So, if this is true, as Islam spreads throughout the world, spreading the gospel becomes a much more difficult task. Many people who might otherwise be interested are not going to even allow the missionaries to speak with them if they know the penalty is death. Perhaps this is why the Brethren in the Church would be concerned about it's growth and spread throughout the world.

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I sincerely believe that the problem with Islam is allowing the zealots to have too much authority. There are peaceful Muslims that will respect everyone around them, but at the same time when they see a fellow Muslim doing things in an aggressive manner they say nothing - which for me is the same as agreeing (re: see Activism board for similar thread). Thus Islam has become dangerous, both in commission and omission by its membership. I feel if there was ever a war that gave Islam laws political power over non-Islamic countries then we wuld have a lot to be scared about, especially freedom to worship.

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The strictures about the death sentence for converting from Islam is part of the religion, and part of Sharia law. Anywhere Sharia is in place, any convert will die, if caught. This isn't so much a matter of zealots getting into power, as it is a basic tenet, and commandment from the Qur'an.

I have read many, many stories of people who have converted from Islam to Christianity in places such as Egypt and Iran. They frequently seek any means possible to get out of those countries, but are not often successful. Usually, they are given three days to recant. They will die whether they recant or not, but the death will be easier if they do.

Mormon / Muslim Discussions

Is Islam hostile to Mormons? Maybe, maybe not. But there are indications that we are beginning to show up on the radar screen for some of the more militant groups.

https://www.fairlds.com/pubs/conf/2003PetD.html
This is the transcript of Dan Peterson's talk at a FAIR conference. (Looks like it was from last year, summer of 2003)

I suggest that we all take the time to read through the whole talk. He is one of the leaders at FARMS, one of the leading apologists for Mormonism. Quite a large segment of the talk does focus on Islam, as well as explaining why apologetics is a very important subject.

When you consider the fact that the Gospel cannot be preached yet to almost 3 billion people (1/3 to 1/2 of the people living on the earth), and half of them are Muslim, you must consider that something big is going to happen to open up these societies. (China, India, and the Muslim world)

Knowing that it is a death sentence to preach about Jesus Christ in almost half the world, as well as to convert to Jesus Christ in that same half, is there really any question about the enmity between Mormonism and these ideologies?

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I for one believe that it would take Christ's setting his foot on top the Mt. of Olives before they collectively acknowledge him, and then some will still choose not to. There is actually a thread in the RM & News board about the spreading of Islam in Utah. It seems to be growing - I ventured to point out that maybe polygamy appealed to them?