Truly God If In Eternal Check?

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1st Aug, 2008 - 12:14am / Post ID: #

Truly God If In Eternal Check?

Truly God If In Eternal Check?

I recently started a Thread in the Philosophy Board (See Here), but I thought I would Discuss it here from a Mature LDS angle:

Are we truly to become 'a god' will we truly be a god if we are always having someone 'over' us? Or is it that our understanding of Godhood is limited. We can already see where Jesus, even to this day is still 'under' command of his Father even though he has already bought us with His Blood.

Is Father, 'under' anyone if he was once like we are today? Is there a time when we truly break free and can be considered in a mode of 'total freedom'? Or will we always have some kind of binding? If so, are we truly in Command? Maybe, we have to learn obedience because the universe is built on obedience, even for a god or the God. Thoughts?



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1st Aug, 2008 - 10:50pm / Post ID: #

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I think there is a hierarchy in everything, including eternity. But, as you pointed out, perhaps we limit ourselves when we do not have a full eternal perspective. The Gospel is all about agency and free choice. Thus it makes sense that we would be free to reign as we chose, so long as we reigned in righteousness. If you look at how the Church is governed, everything is always handled at the lowest possible level. The higher ups only intervene when it becomes necessary.

If we truly believe in eternal progression then it only makes sense that each person who advances to Godhood has those who have gone before to act as mentors and provide guidance when necessary. However, in order to progress that far we would have needed to gain a certain measure of intelligence and experience and to have proven ourselves worthy of such a task.



1st Aug, 2008 - 10:57pm / Post ID: #

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I think there is a hierarchy in everything

Based on that who is the highest then? In an hierarchy system there is always someone higher, so who is higher than God? Who is higher than the God of our God... see where I'm coming from?



2nd Aug, 2008 - 5:28am / Post ID: #

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I know where you are coming from. But I don't think we have the specific answer available to us. When you have 'worlds without end" it seems you would also have "Gods without end." It is all theoretical, I cannot find anything to substantiate it or disprove it. I do not know of anything that would do either. Except perhaps prayer and personal revelation.

We do know that gods are everlasting.

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D&C 132:20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.


I will continue searching, but so far am not finding much. I can find where we are told we can become equals with Christ.

Don't you think God had to go through a similar experience as us to get where He is?



7th Aug, 2008 - 1:33am / Post ID: #

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Don't you think God had to go through a similar experience as us to get where He is?

We have some other Threads here that deal with that... but I will just say that Brigham hinted at that, but I'm unsure at what level.

I used to think that Plural Marriage was the deepest doctrine or the doctrine that would cause the most awe. Then I thought having our own Saviors for other worlds was even deeper, but alas I think this is deepest... Who is the God of the God we know as God?

Joseph Smith often hinted that if he really explained things to us we would (paraphrase) not believe and even think he were mad. I often wonder if the universe is actually built on a higher intelligence that is so vast and we are like the embryo in a test tube currently under 'test'. I use that just to show how small we are.



29th Aug, 2008 - 10:26am / Post ID: #

Truly God If In Eternal Check?

QUOTE (JB @ 31-Jul 08, 4:14 PM)

Are we truly to become 'a god' will we truly be a god if we are always having someone 'over' us? Or is it that our understanding of Godhood is limited. We can already see where Jesus, even to this day is still 'under' command of his Father even though he has already bought us with His Blood.

Is Father, 'under' anyone if he was once like we are today? Is there a time when we truly break free and can be considered in a mode of 'total freedom'? Or will we always have some kind of binding? If so, are we truly in Command?

I am going to take a shot at throwing out my opinion and it is surely that in all ways, just my opinion.

I think that we are limited to our understanding here and now. Quoting some of the words you used in your statement such as, "having someone over us"; "under command"; "...a time when we will break free"; or "always have some kind of binding." It seems to denote something of a negative when I read it. I think at the point we become like God we will be one in his thoughts and purpose just as he is to those before Him. I don't think there will be a feeling of wanting to break free or not have someone over us--rather, a feeling of unity and wanting the same thing. Does that make any sense? I am not sure if I am getting out what I am trying to say.

It seems with our limited understanding we may look at it as always having to answer to someone--I think even when we become like Him, won't He always be OUR God?



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29th Aug, 2008 - 12:00pm / Post ID: #

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Yes, I very much agree AlaskanLDS, that is why we are here now, to learn how to get along as it were. I know it may have a negative conotation to it, but I guess that is the best way in a temporal sphere to describe it. As I said in the Philospophy Thread if we cannot command then we must obey.

Right now, notice we are here under command. Yes, we have agency, but in order to achieve something we must do it under command. I notice it continues into Eternity as Christ showed where he still was doing His Father's bidding even after being resurrected. I guess I am interested in knowing if there is a time of 'release', similar to when you leave your parents home and you are on your own, just things to ponder.



29th Aug, 2008 - 10:36pm / Post ID: #

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In reading the scriptures it is apparent that God is "bound" to honour covenants that we make with him, if we are faithful to those covenants. Furthermore God seems to be bound to certain laws and principles that are must be adhered to for God to remain God.

Morm. 9:19

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And behold, I say unto you he changeth not; if so he would cease to be God


There are several such statements that bound God to follow certain laws

If God is bound to us because of covenants and bound to keeping eternal laws, I do not see any negative connotation to having to be bound to promises made in his associations with other Gods. As we honour our fathers and mothers throughout this life, I foresee the same eternal law being in place in the eternities.



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