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Discipline In Education

This topic is covering discipline as a means of control or punishment and not academic discipline as in studying to achieve a goal.

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Spit wads, note passing, talking back and school bullies -- all are problems that have plagued middle school for years. Thirty years ago holed paddles and rulers were the answer to getting students to behave for many teachers. But the face of discipline in schools has changed over the years, and as punishments seem less harsh, student respect is also declining.
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I am a High-School Teacher and teenagers here in Trinidad are as wild as you could imagine. They have no respect for nobody, not even for the Principal! how they can possible have respect for the teacher?. They have 'detention' or you call the parents and then you can see why these children are the way they are, they have no responsable parents (most of them) so whatever form of punishment you use doesn't make a difference. Physical punishment was banned from Trinidad years ago, a method that I use frequently after a lot of experimentation when the children are constantly talking without non-stop, is making them stand with their arms up, it seems easy in the begining but after some minutes they start to complain, I don't make them stop until they stop talking, they hate me when I do that but I tell you I don't see other methods of discipline that work with them!.

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I remember vividly the paddles with the holes in them. When I was in elementary school, a little boy that had beat me up was paddled by the principal -- right in front of me and my mother. My mother says all the blood drained from my face and I went completely pale when the man took that paddle down from the wall. That kid never bothered me again.

It certainly did provide for a more obedient student body. Today, what can a teacher do? The law says teachers are not to touch students in any way, not even in affection. So once rebellious kids discover that fact, they are uncontrollable.

I think your idea is a good one, LDS_Forever! Punishment without inflicting damage

Someone once pointed out to me that the word "discipline" has the root "disciple" -- which gives it a whole different meaning than "punishment."

IMO
Roz

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I'm still a student in Singapore, but recently a disciplinary case made headlines. It's now known famously as the 'Nan Chiau Case'. What happened is that a girl was hit on the head by her principal with a soft cover book. Gently. As punishment. She complained to her sister, who complained to the police, and in due course, the principal resigned. This incident provoked many responses from the public, ranging from people who sympathized with the girl to people who felt that she should have been punished further. After all, this girl had been to detention more than twenty times, and was on the blacklist of many of her teachers.

This case actually feels rather unfair towards the principal, compared to days when teachers would thwack the student across the hand with a ruler. It seems entirely possible that people are taking the 'spare the rod and spoil the child' saying far to literally for their own good. After all, detention, although painful, does serve to teach; a hard lesson my mother has taught me.

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Well, I do not believe corporal punishment should be allowed in school. Sorry, but no one but me has the right to decide if my child should be hit. All the studies I have seen suggest that it is actually counterproductive anyway. Now, I did spank my son when he was younger so I am not saying I don't believe it should ever be done, but research suggests that it probably shouldn't be. What I can say is I do not trust teachers or other school administrators to be fair and unbiased at all times in making the decision to use corporal punishment. I am sure we have all witnessed situations where teachers have had favorites or "less than favorites" so to speak. I am not saying all teachers would be unfair or even that most would, but I have no tolerance for even one teacher being unfair in this regard.

What if your child had a teacher that didn't like them? How would you feel then about allowing them to decide when your child is spanked? It does happen. There are situations where a teacher and a child just don't get along. I don't trust in that situation that all teachers would be fair in handing out discipline.

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I think that Principal was VERY wrong, not only because of hitting that child but also in the head????!!!! she's crazy. You never hit a child on the head. Anyhow, the teachers here in Trinidad would like corporal punishment back in school, today I was talking with a work mate about it and she said how she hates the word 'corporal punishment' and I told her but that's what it is....you see, they want the licks back in school but they cannot tolerate what it brings with it. There is no way to controle how the punishments are being done and lots of teachers abuse the children terrible, beating them up with things you will not believe. It is madness, not to mention, primitive in my humble opinion.

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Sorry, I've re-read my post and I realized I forgot to include the girl's age. If I can recall this correctly, she's either Secondary three or Secondary four, which means she would be fifteen or sixteen. Also, the principal was a man. My mistake. But the thing is, the girl actually was very badly behaved in school. It is true that the principal's actions were probably a little too much, but it was the opinion of many people that she should have been punished, though probably not to that extent. Hitting children is horrible, no doubt about that, and personally I feel that talking to them is usually enough.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/sin...w/82091/1/.html

The above link is to a news report about the case, after the principal stepped down. I quote from there: Hitting a student, no matter how testing the circumstances of disciplining the student, cannot be condoned.

Edited: xepher on 27th Jun, 2004 - 3:57am

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*laughs*

You know, after arguing my way through a really ridiculous debate of why the Asian phenomenon of parents spanking their kids is wrong, I really find the entire Nan Chiau incident ridiculous.

I think Xepher forgot to mention that the girl's parents never bothered to discipline her and left it to the school to do it. And when things get to such a stage where she plays truant, gets herself into a lot of trouble, and is forgiven over twenty times, I don't see why people should call the police when it's a soft-cover book we're talking about. Look. The girl who is sitting on the same row as me and Xepher in the school goes around biting people's thighs.

Tenaheff, if you were that parent, who left discipline for the school to handle, I don't see why the parent would have any say in whether their child deserved to be hit by a soft-cover book on the top of your head.

My answer to corporal punishment has always been simple. Some people need talks and discussions. Some people just need a good slap on the face, especially when their parents work 16 hours a day and can't be bothered to educate their children on basic manners.