Do we have to agree with God to be saved?
Can we disagree with his decisions and still find salvation, or do we have to submit totally his direction and agree with him on all points (I am not talking about prophetic counsel, but counsel received from the Holy Spirit)?
I am not sure what you mean? Please define decisions. Are you talking about disagreeing with his decisions like his decision to make grass green? Or more in lines of moral decisions?
I would think that all of our decisions that we make are based on his perspective or out of his decisions. All that we know is based on his decisions and of his preferences because all that we have is what he gave us. We know nothing outside of his decisions and preferences. Things exist because he prefers or allows then to exist. Thus everything we know is based on his preferences, even the things that we may feel we disagree with are created by his preferences. Even free agency ( I guess to some extent our choice to disagree) is given to us by his decision. So even the act of "disagreeing" is in a since something that he agrees with, and within the realm of what he given us or decided to give us. I feel that the Lord wants us to be happy even if we feel that we disagree with him by not choosing the celestial kingdom for example, we are agreeing with him in that we are going to receive a glory which we will be happy. So even in this since we are agreeing even though from our perspective we may feel that we are not.
So perhaps the question is when we feel that we disagree with God, are we really disagreeing with him or is it more of our just our perception of disagreement? I am not sure if this explains my thoughts real well.
QUOTE (dbackers @ 24-Oct 07, 3:42 PM) |
Can we disagree with his decisions and still find salvation, or do we have to submit totally his direction and agree with him on all points |
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(I am not talking about prophetic counsel, but counsel received from the Holy Spirit |
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Wherefore, all things which are good cometh of God; and that which is evil cometh of the devil; for the devil is an enemy unto God, and fighteth against him continually, and inviteth and enticeth to sin, and to do that which is evil continually. 13 But behold, that which is of God inviteth and enticeth to do good continually; wherefore, every thing which inviteth and enticeth to do good, and to love God, and to serve him, is inspired of God. 14 Wherefore, take heed, my beloved brethren, that ye do not judge that which is evil to be of God, or that which is good and of God to be of the devil. |
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I am not sure what you mean? Please define decisions. Are you talking about disagreeing with his decisions like his decision to make grass green? Or more in lines of moral decisions? |
QUOTE (dbackers @ 25-Oct 07, 9:18 AM) |
Can we disagree with God's opinions on the small stuff? Let's suppose God likes Mozart, Monet, or Lewis. Suppose we are lukewarm to these artists. It always says become more like God, so what is our responsibility on such a case. |
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On the other Hand, can we disagree on points of doctrine (baptism, ordinances, Gospel laws.) and still continue faithfully in the Church? |
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But I don't think because I listen to say, country vs. classical that it matters? Do you think it does? |
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I am interested to know if this is just something you were thinking about or if you (or someone you know) have a specific issue you are referring to? |
Another thought I had, was as we progress slowly towards being as Christ, the spirit becomes so much more sensitive the closer we get. I think, my opinion of course , that the closer we get--the less things like that will matter. We will all probably be more tuned into and prefer hymns or something along that line. I just say that because when I was inactive for 5 years, the music I chose to listen to was loud and heavy--no way inviting to the spirit, as I have been back in the church for 15 years now, My music choices have slowly changed. I think it will be that way for most entertainment situations.
It is an interesting concept to think about--it helped me put into perspective what is Gods will and what was mine, and how far apart are they? Thanks!
Isnt kinda obvious that we would have to agree with the plan because it not just things to do but our hearts to? If we dont agree it will show in how we live our lives.