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AlaskanLDS

Yes, I would say that I agree now. Thanks for the redirection.

Alaskan wrote:

I am not that sensitive. I like the debate and ridicule. It usually pushes it further and causes me to think on the matter more. Like these posts have. So, thanks to all. Maybe I have helped to stir up some thoughts as well.

I am new to the forum and was curious about the thoughts of others. I am somewhat abrasive and at times aggressive. I am seriously trying to be sensitive and so bullish about my own beliefs. I don't see this as a complete fault. I am sure that this forum and most of the people can handle what I throw at them. I can certainly handle the same.

Deep Doctrine is not pertinent to ones salvation, but it is fun to talk about. I love the subject. So being cautious about it should come with the territory.

You inferred that I may be getting my information from the wrong source (satan). If it was not me you were talking about then please mention names next time.This is exactly what I am talking about when I think I should not share some of my theories. And the very reason I wont share more of them. I would like to discuss these things. I could care less wether you red flag or not.

There is a good reason why I have this theory and I wont share that with anyone. And I am certain that it did not come from the dark side. Check your own sources.

Yes, he has died spiritually. He does nothing good. He creates nothing good (no light). He needs the light of christ to survive just as we do. But he is much worse because he feeds on the sins of others. He produces nothing. So when he is cast out he will be without light.

The very thing he is afraid of and hates, is the very thing he needs to stay in existence.

If we all repented and stopped sinning then satan would be locked in darkness and have to feed on his own minions (millennium).

Just my thoughts.

Edited: Quasar on 2nd Sep, 2008 - 3:27am

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Quasar - Perhaps you need to chill and not take things so personal. I was not inferring anything about anyone in particular or I would have made a direct quote.
When I said "you" it was generic and not pointed at you or anyone else.
My comment was a general comment that when "anyone" (not just you) is afraid to bring up a topic for fear of negative responses - to ME that is a red flag. A red flag does not mean the inspiration comes from Satan or anywhere else. It means double check your sources. Nothing more, nothing less. Sometimes you will still come up with the same answer but sometimes you may not. But one should never be afraid to discuss truth. And the truth will stand up to all scrutiny.

Rather off topic, but... Your comment was totally uncalled for. Just as you should be able to post your thoughts without fear of ridicule or personal attack, so should I. For someone who claims they could care less about what people think you seem to get your shackles up in a hurry.

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I am actually "chill". What are your thoughts on the matter? Find a dozen sources. If you find anything please share them with everyone, especially me.

I am trying to build my arsenal for this theory. Make it or break it.

Message Edited... Persephone: It is not necessary to quote the entire post of the user above you. See Constructive Posting Policy.

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It has become something of a joke in our family if someone says that deep doctrine is not important...they say, "just don't tell mom that!"

The reason is, I believe it is very important to your eternal salvation. I know most don't agree and that is okay! But in reality, there are levels of faith, repentance, etc. that are deep and the more we learn by the spirit and obedience to its promptings the more we will learn...but that is a whole different thread of its own!

Alaskann said:

Just a note Quasar, and being new I know it is sometimes hard to get the feel right away for people--but we need to remember that most everyone that is here, especially in the LDS doctrine/Mature Doctrine forum are a lot alike, We have things to discuss and want to share them but not to be ridiculed or judged. I know that was Amonhi that mentioned people doing that, but I have to say that you won't find that here. First, the moderators don't tolerate personal attacks and rudeness and second--we are not in a basic Sunday school class--yes, we are all on our own spiritual levels but because we CHOOSE to be here and discuss things, we can only hope others are in the same frame of mind. Does that make sense? I do think there are many people out there that would mock us for our ideas but not many are found here.

Another important thing I learned while here is the fact that when someone posts in general, such as Alskann did, that we realize that it is just that. You were not even the one that originally stated the whole issue about being ridiculed and or judged--she was, in my opinion, responding to that original idea .

This is a sad statement to read from you Quasar, as it sounds like you have some very interesting ideas. If it is in fact that you don't want to share it because you think people are judging you here--I can only obviously speak for myself but I have never felt attacked by responses even when they don't agree with my point or opinion and I don't think you would find it here either if you added to or started another thread on whatever subjects you have theories on.

The other thing is just because we feel prompted NOT to share a theory doesn't mean it is wrong or from the dark side but rather because it is a personal teaching and just for us. I hope it is clear that Alaskann's comment wasn't one of attacking you or your opinion. I would love to hear more of what your thinking. I always feel the Spirit has to testify to each of us and will. We should never have an excuse for being tricked or deceived if we have the spirit to teach us.

Edited: AlaskanLDS on 2nd Sep, 2008 - 7:40am

Too Sun Wants Satan

I wish it were that simple, I have been kicked off forums for my beliefs which are applauded in this forum. I am sure as well that the truths in the temple are unfortunately not open for discussion even among church members. Truth should be open for discussion, however, as I have heard some subject should not be discussed. Not because of the topic, but because of the people.

Rather off topic, but... QUOTE I am new to the forum and was curious about the thoughts of others. I am somewhat abrasive and at times aggressive. Me too, My wife gave me hell for my insensitivity in my last post on the "Depression after Death" thread. She agreed, but thought I lacked empathy and compassion. She was right too. Sorry all...

Rather off topic, but... QUOTE Deep Doctrine is not pertinent to ones salvation, but it is fun to talk about. Deep Doctrine means doctrine that you personally do not understand. What is deep for me may be basic for you. Some deep Doctrine is essential to our exaltation. For example, the priesthood, Calling and election, the atonement... If these are not deep to you, then they are to others. There are some subjects that seem plane as day to me that others see as mysteries. And there are other topics that others understand clearly and I seek to learn. Also, the milk before meat concept is only relevant before you have the Holy Ghost. Once you have the Holy Ghost, you are in theory ready to handle any meat that can be dished out because you rely on the Holy Ghost to teach you all things. You will never see a milk vs. meat scripture regarding those who already have the Holy Ghost. After that, nothing is too deep to consider. AlaskanLDS, I liked your comments on this matter, thank you.

Me too, My wife gave me hell for my insensitivity in my last post on the "Depression after Death" thread. She agreed, but thought I lacked empathy and compassion. She was right too. Sorry all...

Deep Doctrine means doctrine that you personally do not understand. What is deep for me may be basic for you. Some deep Doctrine is essential to our exaltation. For example, the priesthood, Calling and election, the atonement... If these are not deep to you, then they are to others. There are some subjects that seem plane as day to me that others see as mysteries. And there are other topics that others understand clearly and I seek to learn. Also, the milk before meat concept is only relevant before you have the Holy Ghost. Once you have the Holy Ghost, you are in theory ready to handle any meat that can be dished out because you rely on the Holy Ghost to teach you all things. You will never see a milk vs. meat scripture regarding those who already have the Holy Ghost. After that, nothing is too deep to consider. AlaskanLDS, I liked your comments on this matter, thank you.

Very interesting. I believe you are referring to Satan being an energy "Vampire". Have you by chance read or watched "the Celestine prophecy". They go into this quite well, but more from a positive and hopeful point of view rather then a horror type movie. But the concepts are there, just not applied to Satan.

I understand that the "Mature forum" of this web site is for those who feel as you expressed here. Mature meaning not being judged for believing or expressing beliefs in non-standard doctrines. I look forward to checking it out, but have not yet. Oh, and well said, I stand by you!

I thought so too. I couldn't see her comment aimed at you in the least. She was responding to a comment I made. ;-)
AlaskanLDS, your words were greatly appreciated by me! I really liked the way you lovingly expressed your thoughts and encouraged Quasar to be open and share. I must admit that I have never found a forum this free thinking and accepting of others beliefs. I also see so many people begin a thread with one way of thinking and end with another. The learning process is incredible! Kudos to the moderators and the attendees! I have actually been testing the waters to see what is safe to share and discuss. I was kicked out of another less open forum for telling people they should follow the Holy Ghost and personal revelation above any leader. The moderators didn't agree and chose to censor their forum and protect the attendees from anything they didn't feel was correct. I still haven't seen that here. In fact, I have seen encouragement of new and crazy ideas and sharing personal experiences. I love it!

Anyway, back to the purpose of the thread, Quasar, I understand if you do not feel comfortable sharing the experience, but could you share more of what you learned from the experience.

I am wondering if you are referring to the light of Christ which fills the universe and is in all things and is the power by which all things were created and by which they exist and how God governs all things. This "light" being in place of the "darkness". And when Satan is cast into outer Darkness, he will be sent to a place void of the Light of Christ. As this light of Christ is the "Power" of the universe, Satan in outer darkness will not have the "power" or energy needed to survive. So he will slowly begin to fall apart into his most basic components of matter. To prevent this he will steal, suck or take the "power", life or energy of those around him. In a sense, eating them spiritually thereby decreasing their existence and increasing his own until eventually he is doomed to Die or be destroyed in the organization of the spirit body. At which time the intelligences that comprise his spiritual organization are free to resume a progressive path from the beginning just as we all once were, with the hopes of again having/being part of a new spiritual organization in which they will continue to progress with the possibility of being part of a celestial being... etc...

;-)

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Rather off topic, but... I think I need to clarify things a bit here. Apparently I sometimes do not make myself clear. The comments I made were not directed toward anyone in particular. I was voicing my own point of view about something I read in AlaskanLDS' post. I did not have any idea who the original poster was. All I was saying is that if I (meaning myself) have a thought, opinion or whatever but do not feel comfortable - for whatever reason - about it, for me it is a red flag. Now I apparently do not have the same definition of red flag as you all seem to. In my profession a red flag is just a warning that their may or MAY NOT be a problem. But that a second look to make sure you have the full story, the correct perspective, whatever before proceeding. It does not mean you are wrong or right just that something doesn't feel quite right as things stand. Perhaps it is because I am wrong or being misled. Or perhaps it is just because I left out an important component or the person I am presenting to is not ready to hear what I have to say and it would be better left unsaid - for now. These are all just "perhaps" nothing concrete the possibilities are endless.

Amonhi wrote:

I love a good debate. Ridicule, in my opinion (feel free to disagree) is immature and uncalled for in this type of forum. But life would be oh so boring if everyone agreed on everything.

I like aggressive and assertive, abrasive is - well - abrasive but it has it's place. That's how you get rid of the rough edges.

Amonhi also wrote:

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I love your interpretation and agree with you completely. If one has the Spirit of the Holy Ghost they should be able to gain an understanding of anything they ask. There truly is nothing too deep to consider. To add to that, (and you may agree or disagree with me on this one) I believe that many doctrines are multi-faceted. That is why I may be studying the same doctrine as you but come up with an entirely different interpretation or application but we may both be correct. Perhaps you are further along in your understanding than I am. Or perhaps the application of the doctrine in my life is different than where you are in your life. And now I find myself wondering if there isn't a better thread to discuss this issue?

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I think I just got way to sensitive about the idea that someone would suggest that I get my information from the wrong source.

I seek the truth and unfortunately the truth starts with one's self. This is part of the repentance process, which I am well aware of.

I seam to understand the dark side fairly well. I have never worshiped it, but it has been in my life. I have been surrounded by it and actually interested in it and how it works. I have fought it like many others have. I feel that heaven has respect for me and openly blesses me.

I have been surrounded by an apostacy (and much worse) in my own family and barely hung on to my mormon beliefs, but I did. I have done many good things.

I fought when I didn't think the Lord was there (and he was there). I think that there is a lot of knowledge that I gained from all of this.

I do have the tendancy to demonize others.

I think I am right a lot of the time, but I am not sure about my methods. No, I am sure that some of my methods are wrong.

I apologize for any offences.

Why else would I be so sensitive about someone saying that I might be getting some off my knowledge from the dark side? Unless some of it is true. No one is perfect.

We have all eaten from the tree of knowledge. Unless you would like to put everything off on Adam and Eve.

The knowledge doesn't come from the fall. It comes from getting back up. This is also where the the atonement comes in play.

Yes, I think I got way to sensitive about it.

This psycho babble is ticking me off. I want to solve some deep doctrine mysteries.

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I really like the way you phrased this. And I agree with pretty much everything you said here. You made some good points. In fact, you almost had me - until the very end. Until you went and tossed in another jab.

I try not to offend your profession why do you feel the need to offend mine? Calling my thoughts and ideas "psycho babble" is as offensive to me as it would be if I were to call your ideas "wacko" or "off the wall." I fail to grasp why you are offended at the idea that someone would attack your thoughts and yet you do not hesitate to attack another. You come across as if only your way of thinking can solve the "deep doctrine mysteries."

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your intent. I am a firm believer that in order to solve the mysteries of the universe and beyond it is necessary to have an open forum of ideas and thick skin.