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I must confess to being a little confused by some of your comments, Quasar. Perhaps they take a lot more explaining than you took time for. I would enjoy a little more detail on the following comments, if you have some time:
Quasar wrote:

What do you mean by redirect? Are you using the Priesthood in this redirecting?

How does ignoring them help anything? Are you saying they get bored and go away? Then why all the hubbub in the New Testament?

Don't evil spirits require the priesthood to really cast out? You always do this in the Lord's name, right?

Are you saying that some people have to experience the affliction of an evil spirit just as some people have diseases? Is it equally common?

Possessions seem odd to you because you work construction? They seem odd to me too.

Are you saying that many people receive false revelations, which makes them involved in priestcraft, which has something to do with possession?

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No, I don't think most people would see it as priesthood. You can redirect people with simple words. The prophet does it all the time. Maybe it is just an understanding of what is going on. Is that a form of priesthood? Probably.

You ignore what seams to be a different entity. You don't want to talk to that. You want to talk to the actually person that owns the body and not the evil beings that are trying to control it. It is an art.

The NT is full of prophets and wise men of god that handled these sorts of things. I don't think it is hubbub. I think that it is full of men that have a better understanding of things than I do. I would think they can handle the situation better and have a higher qualification than I do. And from the way it sounds probably you to.

Go for it. Get back to me on that. And while you are at it you might as well read matthew.
Some Idiots go around thinking they know something and casting things out that they don't understand. It usually comes back. You are supposed to teach principles and good habits and that law alone casts them out. If the person follows it, or even has the desire to do so. The person usually does it themselves and you are just supposed to help give guidance towards god and not play god. Unless you are directed by the spirit to do otherwise. It doesn't do much good casting a spirit out when that person invites it back in with his or her bad behaviors.

I work construction. That means I am all over the place and seam to run across a lot of this. It would be different if I was a social worker or something. I was answering JB's question on why I run across this a lot. And it seams odd to me that I run across this a lot considering that this is not my professional field.

Evil spirits are behind every sickness and disease. They are behind cancer. They are behind the common cough. So I would answer yes to this.
And before you think you have something to argue I recommend you study this very closely. Remember that evil spirits have different skills just like us.

I would say that if you are tricked by false revelation then you have involved yourself with priestcraft.

Does that answer your question of my take on it?

Edited: Quasar on 17th Sep, 2008 - 6:24am

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We in the church have a power to act in Heavenly Father's name which is the priesthood. Is there a equivalent for the church of Satan?

Message Edited... Persephone: Please use uppercase letters as appropriate: names, start of sentence, etc. See Constructive Posting Policy.

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Lephisto said:

Actually, I don't think so. The Priesthood is based on the respect all of creation gives the the Savior for his act of atonement. (per 1976 Ensign, not accessible to me at the moment). I find it hard to believe that anything in nature respects Satan enough to give him power. What power he does have comes from knowledge (never having had the veil cast over his mind), and from the commanding of the evil spirits that follow him. This, I suppose, is a form of Priestcraft.

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OneTrueSteve

For just an example, we could compare the priesthood to like Star Wars.
Jedi = priesthood
Sith = preistcraft

So Satan could not have such power so he tries to change it to his ways such as priestcraft?

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OneTrue Steve brings up a good point. Satan and his minions have knowledge but they are not intelligent. In other words they can't create. They can only take what is created and distort/defile it for their own use.

Rather off topic, but... That is why it is kind of funny when people look at symbols and claim that they are satanic. That is not true. Symbols are created by god, or they have always existed. Satan just takes them and uses them for his evil purpose. I look at it like a tool. Let us say a hammer. You can use a hammer to kill people with or do something good and build a house with it. Symbols are just tools and in the wrong hands they can be deadly. So if anyone ever says "that the church is satanic because it uses satanic symbols", you might want to explain it in this way. The pentagram is a symbol that occurs in nature. Is nature satanic?

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Quasar said:

I think you misunderstood me. I certainly did not mean "hubbub" as "nonsense." I meant to say that there is much activity in the NT by men of understanding, which does not reflect an "ignoring" of the entity, and only a speaking or directing to the person.

Does this connection in the evil spirit's mind between Jesus and Paul not suggest that Paul is known as a priesthood holder? He certainly wasn't listening to anyone else.

Then I asked;

In response, Quasar said:

It almost sounds like you are challenging me not to avoid the appearance of evil. I, for one, do not often see people who are possessed. The next time I run into one, I will follow my understanding of what to do and get back to you.
Quasar added:

Joseph Smith said:

So, according to Joseph Smith, the Priesthood is essential to controlling an evil spirit.

Quasar added:you might as well read matthew. [/B]
Well, I actually have read Matthew in this regard. But, have you read JST Matthew?
You must be thinking of:

Well, let's see how the Joseph Smith Translation changed things:

So, the man is only found empty if he has denied the Holy Ghost, the unpardonable sin, making him a son of perdition.

In my opinion, the key to casting out an evil spirit, other than to have the priesthood, is to do it with humility. Jude wrote:

As I was taught, when Moses was being translated, (Deut. 34:6) the Devil appeared to interfere. Michael defended Moses, but not with pride, as did Moses himself once, exercise the priesthood saying, "Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock? " For this sharing of credit, Moses was not allowed to enter the promised land.

I suspect that my uncle did so with pride, as most of us expect to do. When we cast them out, we must not empower them with pride, which bringeth destruction. We must do so with humility, knowing that we are acting in the stead of Christ, and that it is really He who is doing the deed.

Finally, if Joseph Smith is not enough,

I look forward to your response. I would enjoy seeing any references and sources for your ideas. Without them, I can only conclude that they are only your own ideas.

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What an interesting post. I'm also interested in how Quasar could be seeing so many demons? Maybe he has some sort of gift? It reminds me of the story of Heber C. Kimball when he went to England for the first time. In the room they were staying he saw what outter darkness is like.