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...I do not feel that it should be called Amonhi Doctrine, but again that is my opinion |
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I meant more about his character. |
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End of story. But that is not what is happening here in my opinion. |
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I did not read that with negativity and I wonder if Isaiah53 did? |
AlaskanLDS:
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I know there have been many anti-mormon people here that have been shut down in a heart beat and not left to leave their mark on this forum for very long. There messages are clear with intent...and I thank you for ridding the community of their presence. With Amonhi, I think it is a little different, IMO, he has asked us NOT to believe him but to seek truth from the Spirit. |
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Who are you saying he truly is? If you have made a determination regarding Amonhi or Eliason and have proof why not share it with us so we can make a decision as well. |
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"We should follow Paul's counsel to the Ephesians: 'Be no more... tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine." The winds of false doctrine that are blowing today both outside and a few within the Church are far more dangerous to the ultimate salvation of mankind than are earthquakes, hurricanes, typhoons, volcanic eruptions, and other natural disasters. These winds can uproot people if their roots are not firmly anchored to the Rock of our salvation, which is the teachings and the gospel of Jesus Christ." Elder Joseph B. Wirthlin "Deep Roots" General Conference, October 1994Â |
JB:
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Who is Elliaison? You said you had Discussions with Elliaison, what is the connection? |
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Elliaison is actually a couple. The name is French in origin, so I am told. My wife and I met them in our travels and we recognized each other as being members of the Church of the First Born. We have shared thoughts and discussions on occasion via email. Very interesting discussions. They have such a deep and detailed understanding which is why they could put together such a clear document as this one. They come up with things that make me wonder. Aside from that, I don't know much about them. Very friendly and loving demeanor. That has been my experience. |
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Long Answer: (All is my opinion - Sorry for not taking the time to clean it up some. This is an except from an article I wrote called "By there fruits you shall know them" |
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While addressing the topic "By their fruits you Shall know them", Elliaison addressed this question. He was saying they we often misinterpret the fruits to meet things that are mis-leading, like actions or blessings/curses. Using Job, Nephi and others as examples of how Actions cann't be judged as fruits. Then he says the fruits are feelings, using examples like, the fruit of the spirit being Love, peace, long suffering etc.. |
There are several things that tell me right off the bat that Amonhi, in my opinion, is a fraud.
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My wife and I met them in our travels and we recognized each other as being members of the Church of the First Born. |
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Remember, we are coming from very different spheres of truth so this may seem very wrong to you. |
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Also, to get feedback to improve my ideas, to see if I am in error (through the intelligent persuasion of others I may be taught something I have not considered, and if so I will be 'saved" by changing my opinions. |
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3. Do you consider yourself as currently part of the Church (#1), and by 'part of', I mean that you are subject to the teaching and direction the Church gives. Yes and No |
Rather off topic, but... I am frustrated by individuals who say they have moved on to a higher level and then state they have no need to keep commandments. They state that they are equal to God but then refuse to live up to all covenants that they have made in the Temple (ergo fulfilment of the law and not just rejection of the law). Godhood demands obligation to the Laws and Ordinances that brought one to that level. It is not just a state of mind, but more a state of becoming and doing what is required to achieve a level of advancement to be equal with God. Christ gave up his own will to do the will of the Father and gave us the best example of a servant to God and Man. This was not because of a feeling alone. It was because he was willing to act, to do, to finish what the Lord had asked him to do. We should be willing to give up our own wills, including our base desires to sin. Having our calling and Election Made Sure does not take away our responsibility to follow eternal laws, it obligates to follow them more perfectly. |
Dbackers hit on something I did not clearly state, but for which I put under the realm of 'Amonhi Doctrine' and that is he uses LDS resources for his OWN opinions, and ideas. He actually uses the Church's own scripture to teach against the Church. I must admit that is the newest kind of infiltration I have seen here save for those acclaimed Book of Mormon followers who based that they can reach God without the same Church formed from the keystone. FarSeer summed it up well, because he does not come here with a tone of "I submit this as my humble opinion..." instead it as I stated, "You don't believe me, then you would not have believed Christ / Joseph...", in other words... if you do not believe me then you are in the wrong.
I am going to break this into a couple of messages...it is overall really long, in my opinion.
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Msg 1:
I wasn't even going to touch this subject again but I have a few questions on some of the things I was able to research based on information available from the forum and a couple comments on the replies to my last post.
You keep referring to Amonhi's work--
From his rave thread it says:
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JB, To answer your questions. I have the article on my computer. It is 213KB. It is my work, and copyrighted. You have my permission to distribute it freely as a PDF unedited and in its complete form, as I give it to you. |
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Hello again, I tried to place the article mentioned above into the contact form on your contact page. Couldn't do it. How can I get an article to be posted on your website that applies to the topic? Amonhi |
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Next,
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Amonhi: Long Answer: (All is my opinion - Sorry for not taking the time to clean it up some. This is an except from an article I wrote called "By there fruits you shall know them" ******* LDS: Wait a minute, I thought it was Elliaison who wrote it?: From SAME thread: Amonhi: QUOTE While addressing the topic "By their fruits you Shall know them", Elliaison addressed this question. He was saying they we often misinterpret the fruits to meet things that are mis-leading, like actions or blessings/curses. Using Job, Nephi and others as examples of how Actions can't be judged as fruits. Then he says the fruits are feelings, using examples like, the fruit of the spirit being Love, peace, long suffering etc.. |
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Well, we know now that Elliaison AND Amonhi are the same person. It is MORE than obvious when you read the documents, their writing styles and personality traits are exactly the same. Also, in my personal research I linked both Amonhi's real name and Elliaison as the SAME person. One of the many lies of the person who teaches "Truth". |