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Let's turn the tables for a moment here.
At one time the Church wanted to practise plural marriage, but the government did not want it. This is the same situation.
The government wants to tell people what they should do and how they should live in their personal lives.
Post Date: 25th Nov, 2008 - 12:16am / Post ID: #
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Ammon,
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| At one time the Church wanted to practise plural marriage, but the government did not want it. This is the same situation. The government wants to tell people what they should do and how they should live in their personal lives. |
I think about that too and it is a bit hypocritical in my opinion. How fair is it to deny homosexuality but with the same hand promote polygamy? I've even heard some people say that you can get lesbian relationships in polygamy with all of the sisterhood being just a little too touchy feely.
| Rather off topic, but... It is funny to read in the bible about polygamy being openly practiced and encouraged, but then find it condemned by the BOM. I don't understand why something that is highly discouraged in the BOM could be so openly practiced among the early church who had just been introduced the BOM. This makes me turn to gay marriages. Sure, it is considered a bad thing now--but will it always be that way? Throughout the history of the church polygamy has been both encouraged and discouraged. |
Post Date: 25th Nov, 2008 - 12:32am / Post ID: #
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Proposition and Mormons
Well, here we go. Is anyone surprised?
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| State officials to investigate Mormon church's Prop. 8 campaign activities By Mike Swift Mercury News Posted: 11/25/2008 02:35:44 PM PST The chief of a state commission that enforces election law says that it will launch an investigation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints regarding alleged violations in the Proposition 8 campaign. The Fair Political Practices Commission has notified the Mormon church that it will investigate a claim that the church did not disclose the value of non-monetary campaign activities, including alleged phone bank operations from Utah and Idaho that targeted California voters. The complaint was filed Nov. 13 by Fred Karger, an activist who opposed the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage approved by 52 percent of voters on Election Day. There is no timetable for the investigation, and the commission has made no determination about the validity of Karger's sworn complaint, filed with the commission under penalty of perjury. "We'll be looking into the allegations," Roman Porter, the commission's executive director, said Tuesday. He said the timetable for the investigation would depend on a host of factors, including whether or not the commission would have to subpoena records and the cooperation of the complainant and those named in the complaint. A spokeswoman said the LDS Church would cooperate fully and that the church is confident it had not violated state elections law. "We will be sending information to the FPPC and believe that any investigation will confirm the church's compliance with applicable law," the spokeswoman, Kim Farah, said in a statement. .... At issue in Karger's complaint is the disclosure of non-monetary contributions, including telephone bank operations allegedly organized by the LDS Church in Rexburg, Idaho, where Brigham Young University has a campus, and in Utah. Karger, a former political consultant who helped organize boycotts against Yes on 8 donors, said Tuesday that he learned about those operations by reports in local newspapers in those areas. Karger said he was pleased the commission would investigate. "Once you go out of the church membership and contact voters, that becomes a non-monetary contribution" that must be reported to the state, Karger said. |
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Personally, I dealt with the FPPC frequently this year because of local campaigns. The "phone bank" is if a business location were provided with multiple phone lines being paid for, allowing volunteers or paid people to make the calls. I really doubt the church did that. We were asked individually to make calls and provided with lists, but it was done from private homes or in groups with cell phones. The church itself did not provide any facilities for that -- at least not in my area.
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| Phone Banks Businesses and other entities will sometimes allow a ballot measure committee to use their phones to call prospective voters during nonbusiness hours. The fair market value of the use of the phones is calculated to determine the amount reported as a nonmonetary contribution, even if only local calls are made. One method to determine the fair market value is to contact organizations that provide phone banks as a business. |
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The man filing the complaint is grasping at straws, simply to keep the ongoing battle in the public eye. In my opinion, of course.
This is from an email I received today:
The man filing the complaint is grasping at straws, simply to keep the ongoing battle in the public eye. In my opinion, of course.
This is from an email I received today:
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| It will do us good. Ezra Taft Benson so stated in his Cleansing the Inner Vessel talk, stating that as a people, it seems we can better endure persecution than we can peace and prosperity. This is simply amazing. I'm also reminded of his warning to us, his lament that the "strings of tyranny" would be put upon the sleeping elders, which you bring out in what you've written. From the Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson we read the lament: "It is the devil's desire that the Lord's priesthood stay asleep while the strings of tyranny gradually and quietly entangle us until, like Gulliver, we awake too late and find that while we could have broken each string separately as it was put upon us, our sleepiness permitted enough strings to bind us to make a rope that enslaves us. "For years we have heard of the role the elders could play in saving the Constitution from total destruction. But how can the elders be expected to save it if they have not studied it and are not sure if it is being destroyed or what is destroying it?" (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson p. 619-620. also (An Enemy Hath Done This, p. 313.) Additionally he stated: "The devil knows that if the elders of Israel should ever wake up, they could step forth and help preserve freedom and extend the gospel. Therefore the devil has concentrated, and to a large extent successfully, in neutralizing much of the priesthood. He has reduced them to sleeping giants. (An Enemy Hath Done This, p. 275., also Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson p. 619.) "Moroni described how the secret combination would take over a country and then fight the work of God, persecute the righteous, and murder those who resisted. Moroni therefore proceeded to describe the workings of the ancient secret combinations so that modern man could recognize this great political conspiracy in the last days. (See Ether 8:23-25.)" ~ Ezra Taft Benson |
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New York Times ad blasts ire aimed at LDS
Declaring "no mob veto," a full-page ad in the New York Times on Friday denounced the "violence and intimidation" directed at members of the LDS Church who supported California's ban on gay marriage. "When thugs ... terrorize any place of worship, especially those of a religious minority, responsible voices need to speak clearly: Religious wars are wrong; they are also dangerous," reads the advertisement paid for by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, based in Washington, D.C.
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Found this link in one of the comments from the news article above:
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| Source 2 WE ALL ARE MORMONS....by Rabbi Shifren We are living in an era of insanity! Witness the latest attempt to remake the nature of our country, founded and established on certain principles that have been the envy of the entire world. The latest assault on our country and its values comes in the form of vicious and criminal violence against the Mormon church in Westwood, California Interesting how the selective self-righteous indignation on the part of the radical Gay activists is played out here: they bewail the blow to freedom and justice! But I thought we just had elections, where the majority of Californians expressed their views in a free and open manner. Are we not a nation of laws? Dare we relive the McCarthy era, where Americans were harassed and threatened with the loss of their jobs for believing in a certain way? If the Gay radicals should have their way, untold numbers of Americans would live under the threat of the Gay-Lesbian "thought police," where individuals that reject the Gay lifestyle would be sought out and have sanctions brought against them. ... We are dealing with the equivalent of a moral takeover of the country that has as its bedrock a belief in G-d and His promise for humanity. They don't want civil rights! What they desire is quasi Gay/Lesbian hegemony, where a huge "bookburning," reminiscent of the Nazis, will purge any remnants of the "Christian, White, mainstream America" that has given ALL AMERICANS the most profound scope of freedom, liberty, and justice that Mankind has yet to experience. People have perhaps wondered: why the Mormons? Answer: they are a small, yet vocal Christian minority. They have been selected by the mobs as vulnerable, a group that might not have such massive support among America's Christians. We who are friends of the Mormons, their patriotism, their family values, will not falter in our continued support of these dear Americans. |
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The Church is not pleased about disclosing what they spent on the campaign, the timing they chose to do so is interesting. How long will this go on?
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Top officials with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints filed reports today indicating that they donated more than $180,000 in in-kind contributions to Proposition 8, the November ballot initiative that banned same-sex marriage in California. The contributions included tens of thousands of dollars for expenses such as airline tickets, hotel and restaurant bills and car-rental bills for top church officials such as L. Whitney Clayton, along with $96,849.31 worth of "compensated staff time" for church employees. The church said the expenditures took place between July 1 and the end of the year. The church's involvement has been a major issue in the campaign and its aftermath. Individual Mormon families donated millions -- by some estimates more than $20 million -- of their own money to the campaign... |
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| SALT LAKE CITY 2 February 2009 Today The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints clarified erroneous news reports following the filing of its final report on donations to the ProtectMarriage.com coalition. On Friday, 30 January, the Church filed the final report of its contributions (all of which were non-monetary) to the ProtectMarriage.com coalition. The report, submitted in advance of the 31 January deadline, details in-kind donations totaling $189,903.58. The value of the Church's in-kind (non-monetary) contribution is less than one half of one percent of the total funds (approximately $40 million) raised for the "Yes on 8" campaign. The Church did not make any cash contribution. |
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