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What is Pres, Obama's stance on Israel and the whole Middle East Conflict? He has once said, "The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states..." Pres. Barack Obama & The Jews - Page 3
True...and giving speeches based on your audience is OK until you start giving contradictory speeches. He is going to get reminded more and more often that he said something contradictory in the past. He does have some Muslim roots with his father and early schooling, if I remember correctly. However, he is a Christian with sympathies for everyone.
Basically Obama was a fresh breath of air. He was black. His speeches were like sermons and electrified an audience. He was charismatic. However, the more he just "give speeches based on his audience" the more out of love the audience is going to become. They are going to start seeing he is just a politician. No change. No Belief. Nothing...just a nice sounding political windbag.
You got it right, but he is not a muslim to be feared. He was a muslim for as long as it took to deliver that speech. A chameleon is brown for as long as the background is brown.
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Post Date: 5th Jun, 2009 - 1:01am / Post ID: #
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President Obama has been elected to bring change to USA and he has learned from the past and he must realise by now that Israel was an invasion of Palestine by the United Nations against the Will of the One God of the Bani Israil, Who is none other than Allah.
Rejection of the Messiah and an attempt on his life by the Biblical Jews and the Biblical crucifixion of two thieves named Jesus by Pilate, on the Sabbath, lost the Land of the promise.
The UN and the USA do not have the Power to fight against the Will of Allah and more than 50 years have provided the evidence.
President Obama has no choice but to bring the change the US electorate have demanded. 
Edited: defreitas on 5th Jun, 2009 - 1:03am
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Well, that is a interesting analysis of the current situation between Israel, Palestine, US and the UN to say the least.
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| he has learned from the past and he must realise by now that Israel was an invasion of Palestine by the United Nations against the Will of the One God of the Bani Israil |
Actually, I am fairly certain the President Obama understand the history as being a bit different.
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| After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly violent conflict with the Jews. In 1947, the British government withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews. The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city - a corpus separatum - administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status. The Jewish community accepted the plan, but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it. On December 1, 1947 the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a three-day strike, and Arab bands began attacking Jewish targets. Civil war began with the Jews initially on the defensive but gradually moving into offence. The Palestinian-Arab economy collapsed and 250, 000 Palestinian-Arabs fled or were expelled. On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The following day the armies of five Arab countries - Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq - attacked Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Morocco, Sudan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia also sent troops to assist the invaders. After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were established. Jordan annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip. Israel was admitted as a member of the United Nations on May 11, 1949. During the conflict 711, 000 Arabs, according to UN estimates, or about 80% of the previous Arab population, fled the country. The fate of the Palestinian refugees today is a major point of contention in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. |
While President Obama will say that furthering settlements into the west bank (particularly between Palestinian populations and the Jordanian borders is wrong. I am fairly certian that he will not be calling for a "wiping from the map" as the Iranian President has called for. Please read the following paragraphs. They really do lay out what he believes and basically...no one is right and no one is more legitimate than the other:
President Obama:
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| Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed - more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, ignorant, and hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction - or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews - is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve. On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people - Muslims and Christians - have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than sixty years they have endured the pain of dislocation. Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza, and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations - large and small - that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own. For decades, there has been a stalemate: two peoples with legitimate aspirations, each with a painful history that makes compromise elusive. It is easy to point fingers - for Palestinians to point to the displacement brought by Israel's founding, and for Israelis to point to the constant hostility and attacks throughout its history from within its borders as well as beyond. But if we see this conflict only from one side or the other, then we will be blind to the truth: the only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security. That is in Israel's interest, Palestine's interest, America's interest, and the world's interest. That is why I intend to personally pursue this outcome with all the patience that the task requires. The obligations that the parties have agreed to under the Road Map are clear. For peace to come, it is time for them - and all of us - to live up to our responsibilities. Palestinians must abandon violence. Resistance through violence and killing is wrong and does not succeed. For centuries, black people in America suffered the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation. But it was not violence that won full and equal rights. It was a peaceful and determined insistence upon the ideals at the center of America's founding. This same story can be told by people from South Africa to South Asia; from Eastern Europe to Indonesia. It's a story with a simple truth: that violence is a dead end. It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus. That is not how moral authority is claimed; that is how it is surrendered. Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people. Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, and to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist. At the same time, Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop. Israel must also live up to its obligations to ensure that Palestinians can live, and work, and develop their society. And just as it devastates Palestinian families, the continuing humanitarian crisis in Gaza does not serve Israel's security; neither does the continuing lack of opportunity in the West Bank. Progress in the daily lives of the Palestinian people must be part of a road to peace, and Israel must take concrete steps to enable such progress. Finally, the Arab States must recognize that the Arab Peace Initiative was an important beginning, but not the end of their responsibilities. The Arab-Israeli conflict should no longer be used to distract the people of Arab nations from other problems. Instead, it must be a cause for action to help the Palestinian people develop the institutions that will sustain their state; to recognize Israel's legitimacy; and to choose progress over a self-defeating focus on the past. America will align our policies with those who pursue peace, and say in public what we say in private to Israelis and Palestinians and Arabs. We cannot impose peace. But privately, many Muslims recognize that Israel will not go away. Likewise, many Israelis recognize the need for a Palestinian state. It is time for us to act on what everyone knows to be true. |
Obama's is attempting to bring the world court of public opinion to bear on the Israeli/Palestinian issue. And like most things, we all just want there to be peace. A peaceful solution or co-existence and it does include both parties and not the elimination of one. Obama has NO CHOICE but to side with both sides. Siding with just one means war and bloodshed.
Finally, I am pretty sure that if it were the will of Allah to wipe the state of Israel off the map, he would have already done it...for he is ALL POWERFULL.
Post Date: 6th Jun, 2009 - 9:57pm / Post ID: #
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Obama rebukes deniers of Holocaust
WEIMAR, Germany - President Barack Obama absorbed the stark horrors memorialized at the Buchenwald concentration camp Friday and said the lesson for the modern world is vigilance against evil, against subjugation of the weak and against the "cruelty in ourselves." Ref. Source 5
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'U.S. Furious over Israeli incitement against Obama':
The source, who met in Washington with administration officials and members of Congress, told Haaretz he was stunned by the level of anger there over attempts to portray Obama to the American public as an enemy of Israel because of his efforts to restart peace talks and freeze settlement construction. Ref. Source 8
Post Date: 12th Oct, 2009 - 3:11am / Post ID: #
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I do not expext President Obama or anyone of Muslim background to understand my view of the situation and I have not supported anyone's wish to wipe anyone off the map.
I am of what is referred to as Jewish ancestry and my ancestors were forced to enter Trinidad as Roman Catholics.
I was brought up a Roman Catholic and I became Muslim at age forty.
If that confuses you then then you are beginning to understand why I see the situation differently and why I do not expect that anyone would understand before they research the situation from a strictly Scriptural angle.
My view is shunned by the Muslims simply because they refuse to be honest with Scripture and they would rather corrupt the Quran with a Jesus that does not exist in Islam because they seem to think that a Jesus in their false translations of the Quran makes the Christians their friends.
Muslims and Christians have made Jesus the enemy of peace because they misunderstand the Messiah of both the Quran and the Bible and they fail to see where the Bible agrees with what the Quran says about the Messiah without mentioning the name of "Jesus".
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Obama losing Jewish support?
On radio today Glenn interviewed Senior Editor of First Things magazine, David Goldman, who took part in a convention in Israel last week and heard some eye opening things from Jewish leaders there in regards to Barack Obama. Is there a Jewish backlash against Obama, in light of his, as David says, 'profound personal sympathy' for Islam and Islamic culture? Check out the interview on radio today. Ref. Source 6
Post Date: 25th Jun, 2010 - 2:11am / Post ID: #
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Israel's Useful Idiot?
Jon Voight to Obama: You are Harming Israel and Promoting anti-Semitism
By Haaretz Service
In an open letter in The Washington Times, staunch Republican actor writes: You will be the first American president that lied to the Jewish people, and the American people as well, when you said that you would defend Israel. Ref. Source 2
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