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I was praying this morning, as I always do before Scripture reading. Just part way into my prayer, my mind kept pulling to this subject. I know this may not help eihter, but here it goes.

The Holy Ghost impressed upon my mind; The savior suffered it all, am I less privileged or special to not be also. No matter how bad we feel or hurt, Christ is always there holding our hand and looking back in pain, as he knows and shares it with us.

Think about it, in the Garden he took on all of the Earths Inhabitants pains, fears, sins and misery, all in one load. So I guess one either believes that or you don't.

This verse, just like today, so many people only seem to see the surface and not the inner person and situation. Man seems so easy to point fingers and lay blame for others situations in this life, on their supposed sins. But often times, what happens to us is from things we need to learn from. Most of them are from what we inherit from our ancestors, both gifts and weaknesses are passed on to us, from our ancestors good deeds and behavior or thier bad, inherited talents and weaknesses; we are born into that family that best allows us to become all that we can be, to coin a military enlistment phrase.

The Lord was using this verse as teaching moment, his problems and disables were not from what his parents did or from what he could of done. In this case, apparently his disability happened, for the very propose that happened in Scripture, to help bring about Gods plans.


If you knew more about being empathic, it is one of the not noted gifts of the Spirit, you feel emotions, feelings, pains, intentions from others as if they were you're own; time and distance is not relevant, to the spirit there is no time and space.


Answers come if we are ready for them, or if we need them, we do not receive what is not essential for our salvation or to help others. Most times when answers do not come, it is a trial of faith, and we just learn to go on.

Some times it is because we ask amiss, or we do not ask at all or we ask, but really don't want know, even if we say we do. I see that so many say Lord Lord, and when thoughts come to them, they ignore them or consider them as not. The more you ask, and receive and use what God delivers, the more he gives, the opposite is also true.

What we receive is predicted more on a open faithful mind and using what you receive, then righteousness, I leave this post with these verses.

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Comments: This is the kind of thing I've always wondered about. I've looked at many religions answer for this and its either one of these:

1. We don't know god's will
2. Bad karma from the last life
3. Everything has a ying / yang (an opposite force)

Even for Mormons there isn't an answer. Most religions try to give this reasoning... If things are going well for you then you say god is blessing you. If things are going bad for you then you say its because we cannot know the will of god. Egyptians worshiping Ra probably said the same thing but for me it simply says "I don't know" because no amount of religious talk can explain why children are treated this way.

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DavidLJ, you say a lot but it still does not answer the fundamental question of this Thread. I will repeat again:

I often find that when someone cannot answer a question they go off into tagents that are not relevant to the Topic. This Thread is not about being empathic, or having the Holy Ghost answer it individually, this Topic should have actual scriptural sources to explain it.

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I am not sure anyone can fully answer this question.

But will say, it is not punishment from God the Father, what Father in their right mind would normally hurt or punish their own child. As the Bible says, in Luke 11,

I have read some lengthy dissertations on this, but will go with my basic understand to keep it simple, I always like simple over complex.

I accept that God is all knowing and loving, and would not in any way condone such acts. But in a way, he has his hands tied, because Agency is part of the Eternal plan of progress for all of us. Agency means that God has to take a back seat to a lot of what happens. Agency gives us the chance to push ourselves to heaven or hell, to keep it simple. God cannot act against anyone, on the premise of protecting everything, what then would happen to agency. If God punished everyone for ever broken law, immediately, we would all of course be good little boys and girls. But there is a time between our actions and the results of those actions, other wise agency would not be effective in testing who will remember and learn to follow God or reject him, or learn to be good and kind or bad.

Would you want to be punished for things you thought or desired, and never did ? So that no pain would happen to anyone, gee that sort of sounds like the plan that Lucifer put to God in the Council in Heaven.

God cannot take actions on our thoughts only, our actions have to play out, and who can tell, who might repent and change. That comes out in the parable of the Wheat and the Tares.

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David, you are talking about agency, etc. All these things have been covered. The point we are trying to answer is WHY do these children have to endure such lengthy torture to the point of death? That's the question. WHY.

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I guess then I have missed the marked, did you listen to the last General Conference or read it when it came out in the Ensign ? It seems to pretty much explain it.

It seems that bad things happen, and their is no time limit on them, to interfere would be paramount of denying or thwarting the whole law of Agency.

I agree it is not punish from God, but we each choose our course, that would best help us to find out way back to God. Of course there are also those who are were so valiant, they come into the world with crippled mind and or bodies, I guess put me in this one: Just glad I am not that bad. Then some only to get a body, to then go home and never live beyond a few hours or days or etc.

I do recognize that those more valiant in heaven are born generally into better homes, with more mobility and etc. But not all, many are born just as well into non member families, their mission, to be tried even more, they are there to save that family line, sometimes they are placed there to do the genealogy and temple work.

Elder Cook talks about agency and bad things that happen.
In his talk, The Songs they could not sing. You can find it online if you don't have it.

David

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David:

How does a newborn chooses his/her course? Are you talking of the pre-existence? And if so, where is the doctrine that teaches we have chosen the conditions we will live on this Earth?

Could you also please point out the doctrine that teaches that those who are born with disabilities have been very valiant in the pre-existence?

Not trying to nitpick or challenge you but merely interested in doctrinal backup for some of these claims.

Elder Cook's talk about agency is good but doesn't answer some of the questions that remain unanswered. Not sure if anyone could really answer it though...except God himself.

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There may be more answers to what you ask, but I learn and feel from the Scriptures and from leaders, by the Spirit, these are things ones learns and picks up line upon line. My memory and cognitive abilities are not so usable all of the time, I have to depend on the Sr it to help me out.

Spirit and Church leaders only carry one so far. They are only the basics, higher knowledge and testimonies of things come to those who are open and seeking things for the right reasons.

If you ask God, he will reveal it to you, to the best of your understanding, and in time, it will be unfolded more if you seek it and it is essential for your salivation.

Sometimes one just has to have faith that God is in Charge, and his will be done. That is not mimicking church leaders, but from decades of trials and understanding from the Holy Ghost at my helm.

David