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JB's most important Topic for Discussion. Still searching for a real answer to this and no one seems to be able to give a credible answer for it. Despite all the scriptures and revelations there seems to be no answer as to why millions of children suffer each day from the most evil, vile, degrading and violent abuse sometimes from their own parents.Mormons - When Children Are Raped, Abused & Killed - Page 11
QUOTE There may be more answers to what you ask, but I learn and feel from the Scriptures and from leaders, by the Spirit, these are things ones learns and picks up line upon line.
No offense should be taken, but the fact is from your Replies you simply do not know nor can you explain the reason. Not that I expect you to, but you keep Replying as though you have the answer and yet still NOT addressing the fundamental point of this Thread which is why it is not addressed openly and clearly where the person does not have to wonder or pray about it or get something line upon line about the torture children go through. Something this horrific happening daily to millions of children all over the world that were not 'chosen' or 'chose' to live in 'happy' families should have an explanation and reason that is sound Doctrine, its not a passing event.
Post Date: 7th Jan, 2012 - 8:22pm / Post ID: #
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I guess, what is a answer to one, it not a answer to another, that is given, each one reality is not the same. I say that too, as I deal with many others like myself in person and online, who are Empaths, Sensitives, Intuitives and etc from all walks of life and moral persuasion.
The problem may be one of words or concepts or Spirit or course, all things are Spiritual, and the more Spiritual a thing is, the more Spirit needs to be involved to understand it. I find that Scriptures are the basics of Beginning to understand things, the rest is understood and learned by Spirit. That is like Section 89 in the D&C, the Word of Wisdom. It was made for the weakest of Saints to follow, which mostly deals with the don't, the do are not so obvious, they are seen with much need and prayer.
I came across a verse in my reading of the Book of Mormon again, Mosiah 24:14-17 I see again and again in Scripture that God often cleanses his people, they go trough a refining fire, and with that endure well, rise up to add light and strength to each other and to others.
QUOTE 14 And I will also ease the burdens which are put upon your shoulders, that even you cannot feel them upon your backs, even while you are in bondage; and this will I do that ye may stand as witnesses for me hereafter, and that ye may know of a surety that I, the Lord God, do visit my people in their afflictions.
15 And now it came to pass that the burdens which were laid upon Alma and his brethren were made light; yea, the Lord did strengthen them that they could bear up their burdens with ease, and they did submit cheerfully and with Patience to all the will of the Lord.
16 And it came to pass that so great was their faith and their patience that the voice of the Lord came unto them again, saying: Be of good comfort, for on the morrow I will deliver you out of bondage.
17 And he said unto Alma: Thou shalt go before this people, and I will go with thee and deliver this people out of bondage.
15 And now it came to pass that the burdens which were laid upon Alma and his brethren were made light; yea, the Lord did strengthen them that they could bear up their burdens with ease, and they did submit cheerfully and with Patience to all the will of the Lord.
16 And it came to pass that so great was their faith and their patience that the voice of the Lord came unto them again, saying: Be of good comfort, for on the morrow I will deliver you out of bondage.
17 And he said unto Alma: Thou shalt go before this people, and I will go with thee and deliver this people out of bondage.
The Lords agency, and those that are harmed, stand as a testimony to convict them eventually in time, you see that mentioned in verse 14.
The Lord chastises those with some redeeming quality, by the wicked, he also destroys the greater wicked with less wicker peoples or righteous people. I read something years ago, by one of the Latter Day Prophets, that God destroys a wicked nation, when the children reach a point, that they have no chance to know any degree of righteousness. Destruction is never about vengeance or anger with God, it is about love and mercy.
All I can say is, those who are brutalized, stand as a witness against those who do it. Those who are hurt, God comforts and loves and the pain does not stand in way of any progression. And again, if God stepped in when every abusive thing was about to happen, Agency would be foiled. And if God does not follow the rules, he would cease to be God.
Understanding things, is not by word, it felt by and an through the Spirit, and until we do, most often we just need to except it on faith, excluding blind faith, which is really not faith in the correct true sense.
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QUOTE I guess, what is a answer to one, it not a answer to another, that is given, each one reality is not the same.
Exactly, and I am saying that you keep repeating yourself and yet are not able to directly answer the Topic. I am looking for answers to the first Post in this Thread.
QUOTE All I can say is, those who are brutalized, stand as a witness against those who do it.
Do you need to have a witness against you in order to stand in judgement before a God who knows everything?
Post Date: 8th Jan, 2012 - 12:10am / Post ID: #
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I will say, one wonders why God would need a witness, but seems like God runs things legally, somewhat like a Court of Law. And it would seem that for God to act on his own, might seem like a conflict of interest to me. But it may be this way, so everything is considered fair and impartial. But in reality, we judge ourselves, we go where we feel welcome, we gravitate to where we feel comfortable, like gases in the air which rise to where they are at the level of thier own kind. So maybe, Birds of Feather do flock together even Spiritually.
God can in reality or theoretically do what he wants. But then God does many things in way that do not always make sense to us. God could make us all be good, he could prevented someone from doing this or that.
But what does does, seem to be predicated on helping us learn to be like him. And that seems to move him to treat us in ways, that forces us to help him and participate in the program. We learn to be like God, by acting in his name on Earth, and I guess here after too.
God is our Father, everything he does is to benefit us, his children.
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Again you are missing the point of this Thread. There is nothing to be learned or understood by children / babies who are at a tender stage of development. They can hardly form words or understand colors let alone acknowledge the complexity of heinous acts against them.
QUOTE But what does does, seem to be predicated on helping us learn to be like him.
I think the Thread you are looking for is this: Source 8 there was one person with a strong position there too that did not make much sense.
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To attempt to answer those questions is folly. I do see your point JB, after all we have details about not drinking or using tobacco and those are very specific so something like this should have some specifics to it too.
Post Date: 17th Jan, 2012 - 10:48pm / Post ID: #
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To answer this question, maybe folly, but here it goes with one last try, even if someone may have used this scripture before.
What happens is not a punishment or a sacrifice.
QUOTE Alma 14:
10 And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the power of God which is in us, and save them from the flames.
11 But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in glory; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the judgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the blood of the Innocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.
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I came across this image today and it immediately reminded me of this Thread. It means more when you 'see' it. Children should not suffer like this... Anywhere... Anytime... For any reason.
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