Is There Such A Concept As Eternal Law?

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5th Mar, 2009 - 5:58pm / Post ID: #

Is There Such A Concept As Eternal Law?

Is there really such a concept as Eternal Laws? Does God choose to follow Laws or is the Concept of Eternal Law a man made construct to satisfy our need for order in the Universe?



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15th Mar, 2009 - 10:18pm / Post ID: #

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I can't remember where it says this but it talks about where there re first spiritual laws before there are emporal laws. We follow principles and the commandments are fit to meet our need based on those principles. That's how I understand it. I guess principles are eternal.



16th Mar, 2009 - 3:06am / Post ID: #

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I am not to sure if I can say if I believe in absolute eternal laws. I guess I would need someone to define eternal laws. Are we talking laws like physics such as gravity, light, time, and etc. I am not sure if they are absolutes because I am not an absolute being with absolute knowledge.
As for the ideas such of justice and mercy, I suspect that they are not absolute. Meaning that justice seems to be very subjective. In my professional life, I am a mediator and my experience has shown me that justice is subjective. It changes in mediations all the time with all parties. I know that in court, justice is also subjective, thus we have case law. So my experiences tell me that my idea of justice is different then yours, yet ones idea is no less justice then another. I think this goes the same way for mercy. So I have a hard time with accepting eternal absolute justice. I guess this is how I can get out of the idea that Christ paid an absolute eternal price for sin through atonement, because I am not sure if such a thing exists(that is an absolute price for sin.)
However I can say that I agree that there is an absolute idea of good and evil, but I do not know what it is, nor am I able to tell them apart at times, without revelation.



16th Mar, 2009 - 4:28pm / Post ID: #

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Suppose one believes that God has absolute knowledge of all circumstances, would this change ones views on eternal law? I would not be able to believe in eternal Law unless I believed the individuals who meet out justice have perfect knowledge. That is the only way that I believe Christ could pay for all sins,
Otherwise he could not be the final judge.

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However I can say that I agree that there is an absolute idea of good and evil


Would there need to be an absolute law to be broken in order to have absolute good and evil? They seem to go hand in hand in my opinion.





16th Mar, 2009 - 9:31pm / Post ID: #

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I would not be able to believe in eternal Law unless I believed the individuals who meet out justice have perfect knowledge. That is the only way that I believe Christ could pay for all sins,
Otherwise he could not be the final judge.


First I think we differ in that I do not think that Christ paid for our sins, so the idea of perfect knowledge/ laws does not matter to me in the context that you use it. I do not think that there is some demand of an eternal law that demands a payment for sin. So if this is what we call law of justice, then no I do not buy it.


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Would there need to be an absolute law to be broken in order to have absolute good and evil? They seem to go hand in hand in my opinion.


I will have to think about this. I am not sure if absolute law define good and evil. Can one be evil without breaking laws? I guess I can consent to absolute laws of morality, being that there are laws that define good and evil morally. But again I think that we need to define them. I still am not convinced in an absolute law of justice and mercy. Because I think Justice is very subjective.



17th Mar, 2009 - 5:08pm / Post ID: #

Is There Such A Concept As Eternal Law?

I guess I think of the Universe and by extension theology in very concrete terms. However it is termed, I believe Christ suffered, paid, took on, satisfied a debt, for our sins.

I find evidence for this payment (or taking on our sins) in the following scriptures

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Mosiah 15: 9
  9 Having ascended into heaven, having the bowels of mercy; being filled with compassion towards the children of men; standing betwixt them and justice; having broken the bands of death, taken upon himself their iniquity and their transgressions , having redeemed them, and satisfied the demands of justice.



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Alma 34: 16
  16 And thus mercy can satisfy the demands of justice, and encircles them in the arms of safety, while he that exercises no faith unto repentance is exposed to the whole law of the demands of justice; therefore only unto him that has faith unto repentance is brought about the great and eternal plan of redemption.


I take from this that there is justice that comes to all men based upon their actions and based upon the "law of the demands of justice". Article of faith 2 states that we will all be punished for our own sins, a matter that seems to denote meeting out justice. Who else but God or Christ can meet out these judgements,and who else but Christ can satisfy the demands of justice?

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Alma 11: 44
  44 ...... Or in the body, and (all mankind) shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.


From Doctrine and Covenants 88:42

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This is the Light of Christ"¦which light proceedeth forth from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space-The light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed, even the power of God who sitteth upon his throne"


There seems to be no denying that at least in discussing "the light of Christ" that this "law" governs even the Power of God himself. In LDS theology it seems impossible to take out the fact that there are eternal laws that govern all things.

Why does it bother you so much to think that God will Judge all Mankind based on eternal laws? It seems self evident that the scriptures are insistent on Christ's role as the Great Judge and that we receive blessings based on eternal laws.

D&C 130:20-21
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There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated-and when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated


I actually believe that God can only be loving, benevolent, and merciful if there are eternal laws, a fixed point where man can focus on. Without such laws mankind has no opportunity to choose goodness and focus on Christ or the alternative and go away from him. Without law and the wonderful mercy that Christ provided to satisfy the law, then I see no need for the strait gate, or a narrow path that is mentioned in the scriptures (Matt. 7: 13-14)




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Post Date: 23rd Mar, 2009 - 7:44am / Post ID: #

Is There Such A Concept As Eternal Law?
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Isaiah53, could you please explain this...

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First I think we differ in that I do not think that Christ paid for our sins, so the idea of perfect knowledge/ laws does not matter to me in the context that you use it. I do not think that there is some demand of an eternal law that demands a payment for sin. So if this is what we call law of justice, then no I do not buy it.
That statement dumbfounds me. And I mean that in a positive way, as in it is extremely intriguing to me, in light of my own understanding of the Atonement.


 
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