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It's an unnecessary hedge about the law.

I'm pretty strong on the WoW. We do not even drink caffeinated soda in our house though since that is not specifically against the WoW, I don't teach it for doctrine to others. It's just a choice we make in our family and we regard the WoW to be a model which shows us that we should take a careful look at what we ingest.

I think the injunction against card playing is the same thing, a model. Notice also that no one asks whether or not you play cards in a TR interview. I respect your decision to literally not play face cards. If your children were at our house, we would respect it and not play cards with them. But in our house when we sit down to FHE or we have family over, we will likely play a rousing game of hearts or Settlers etc.

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That's true. We also don't drink caffeinated soda and that's the whole point of it. I see what you're saying and I respect it my dear brother, I think you're doing great and have your heart in the right place. I just see this issue as obedience in the smallest things.

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I have no problem in obedience with the smallest things that are true. I don't believe a literal injunction against card playing is a true principle and I don't believe the Lord will punish me or withhold blessings from me for this view.

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Who determines what is true if not the Church? This is what I have been saying in other threads. It seems to me that whatever fits you then you have no problem in following but something YOU don't seem to believe or consider trivial (despite the Church official position) you don't follow, are you being a G-d to yourself?

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We determine for ourselves what is true; what we will believe and accept. We do not determine for the Church what is doctrine.

So the question of "good Mormon" comes down to what and how much one believes. I don't accept a literal injunction against card playing. On the other hand, a Democrat does not accept the fundamental principles of agency and personal responsibility and actively supports the homosexual lifestyle choice, pedophilia, and abortion as a method of birth control etc.

Who's the better Mormon?

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Guys, I am feeling the spirit of contention coming slowly in this thread. Let us think for a moment and ponder what Jesus would do...

SuzieSu, I think brother bcspace has the right to believe and follow whatever he feels. You have the same right, we are not here to judge one another but to uplift one another. Even though I don't agree with his position I respect his right to follow his own ideas and raise his family accordingly.

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Why is it that you seem to have an obsession over who is a better Mormon? Really. Who cares who is a better mormon and according to who? My point was to emphasize that if we believe this Church is true then you follow the counsel of your leaders, not so? Now, as you can see I'm not a Molly Mormon so I personally struggle with a lot of the points the Church seems to believe but I don't consider myself hypocritical. I won't say I believe this because the Church wants me to and in another topic I find it trivial or unimportant.

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I feel no anger or offense towards me. No worries here.

This is another interesting subject. Jesus would not necessarily do what some who say this would posit. In some cases Jesus did avoid contention or arguing, in others he bashed and railed. Someone ought to make a thread on this.

I mentioned it because you seemed to be referring to other threads about political issues where the question is can one believe or do this or that and not come into conflict with doctrine.

Yes, and we ought to so do. The Church has given speficic guidelines as to what is and is not doctrine and has even said "Not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. A single statement made by a single leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, but is not meant to be officially binding for the whole Church. "

I'd provide the link, but I don't have 100 posts yet.

Sure. My point was that there are doctrines which are more important than others.

Edited: bcspace on 19th Jul, 2011 - 10:43pm