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Post Date: 22nd Aug, 2009 - 4:03am / Post ID: #

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in severe hunger then your brain actually functions differently
Neat. Didn't know that. So, does that mean that not only can we not know what we would do in that situation, but that it would be impossible to prepare for it? That is disheartening, if so, but interesting none the less. And, if it would be impossible to prepare, then why are our brains formed that way? (I am specifying an underlying assumption that our brains are formed, and didn't macro-evolve.)

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23rd Aug, 2009 - 12:11am / Post ID: #

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I think that if it is to survive, or to preserve your life and your loved ones, it is actually immoral not to do what you have to do.


I am not sure I agree with this? What about dieing for the sake of others? Is that counter to preserving your life? Are we then to kill others in order to survive? I do not think that this is immoral. I do not see Jesus practicing this.To me a lot of this post sounds like Korahor, who believes that the strong survive.



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Obviously, during survival mode, there is room for corruption and abuse.

I think that this is a very slippery slope. I personally am not comfortable in saying this. I think we can get ourselves in a lot of trouble when we begin thinking this way. This line of thinking can lead to murder, genocide, and other terrible actions.
I think the great 20th century American theologian Reinhold Neibler said it best when he said referring to WW2 when he said that there are sometimes necessary actions that we all must do that may be dangerous for our morality.
In other words life may be messy, and we may be in situations in our lives like a survival scenario where we may have to kill, steal, or lie in order to survive. They may be necessary, but we must not confuse those necessary actions as moral or OK. Once we begin to do that, we will begin to lose sight of who we are as a people, and as individuals. In many of the scenario's presented above, I can not say I would not do the exact same thing, but that does not mean that I am morally right. Thankfully there is an atonement that can fix my wrongs, and actions.
It is a very dangerous thing to justify such actions as ethical or moral, even if they are necessary.




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However, I am of the opinion that 'survival mode' does not change a person. Perhaps you think less, but your habits, your priorities, and your abilities remain.


Yes your brain physically changes. Such things as thirst, starvation, stress, and a whole host of situations and conditions can actually change your brain physically. With the new brain imaging that we now have we can see this.
Also trauma changes your brain. If you see a violent death, for example your brain can change. Post traumatic syndrome also has a physical change to your brain in your hippocamus region which will then limit your ability to think rationally and assess situations clearly.


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So, does that mean that not only can we not know what we would do in that situation, but that it would be impossible to prepare for it? That is disheartening, if so, but interesting none the less. And, if it would be impossible to prepare, then why are our brains formed that way?


You cannot prepare for starvation. There is not way to prepare your body or mind for it. We prepare by preventing starvation by food storage, & etc. This by no means is preparing your body and mind for it. However, you can prepare for situations to some extent. For example military training, meditation can help, but it is no cure all. Meditation actually changes your brain physically and help develop parts of your brain to deal with trauma, and life and death situations.



12th Jun, 2010 - 6:32pm / Post ID: #

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international QUOTE (Isiah53 @ 23-Aug 09, 12:11 AM)
I think that this is a very slippery slope.  I personally am not comfortable in saying this. I think we can get ourselves in a lot of trouble when we begin thinking this way.  This line of thinking can lead to murder, genocide, and other terrible actions.


But it does happen. When you're in an extreme situation I don't think anyone is wondering whether is morally correct or not you know what am I saying?, of course I haven't been in a situation like that but that's my take.

Reconcile Edited: SuzieSu on 12th Jun, 2010 - 6:34pm



Post Date: 16th Jun, 2010 - 4:59pm / Post ID: #

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Name: Paralegal

Comments: Yeah. We can express our dislikes for some extreme measures that have been considered here. But, reality is that when we reach that drastic point; many of those morals will go our the window -quick-.
Survival is human nature, we are here to survive and learn, and gain experiences as we do so. I completely disagree with dieing for others (just to die). To me, it has to be dieing in the intent of surviving, fighting for a righteous cause. Example: defending your family, etc. That's OK "dieing for others".

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