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I don't think is a natural state because it goes against nature. But tell me why you think is a natural state?.

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The point of this thread is that we don't all necessarily agree that it is a natural state. If one is born gay then I would say that may be a natural state. If one is "turned" gay as a result of their environment, then I would say it is not a natural state.

Also, I am not sure there is really anything "natural" from a reproductive view about having a desire to mate with a member of the same sex. That is not to say I think homosexual people are bad or less than I am, however.

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I would say that if someone was turned gay by his environment, he really isn't one. Maybe the environment could turn one to love women, but not lust, that is hormones, and that's in the DNA, and that's innate. You can't change it.

Many people go against nature in their traits. There are people who are born really stupid or really smart; really short or tall, and there are people who are born impotent, who can't have sex. You could say that's against nature, but is it their choice? I don't think so.

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I bealive its both. A decision and you are born that way.

I think that when you are growing that male or female hormons are dominating in you and that decides your sex. But in the later stage it becomes the other way and you get the other hormone more then you should and so you grow a bit different then a normal growing person. (I don't indicate that the person who is born that way is not normal its just that I don't know the other way to say it.) So when you are finally born you are expressed to whole bunch of factors. But when you reach certain age you then get some feeling for one sex or another. So then its probably the time you see who really attracts you. But you may have some thoughts about it and decide not to live by that way and decide to be normal. (again the upper thing. I just don't know how else to say it. I am sorry if anyone is offended but I didn't mean to offend anyone.)

(Well this is my way of thinking ...)

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Well, I didn't have time to read all the responses in this thread so I may be repeating some info here. I do not think anyone is born gay, but in the same boat, nobody is born straight either. Infants do not have sexual attraction. it is developed later.

That being said, I don't thing anyone chooses to be gay anymore than I chose to be straight. It was a natural response to my personality. I can also be a little lazy at times, its in my nature. That doesn't mean I just accept the fact I'm lazy and there is nothing I can do about it. It is a character weakness that i can work on and overcome. My Dad on the other hand didn't have a lazy bone in his body, but boy was he quick to anger. Does that mean he can use the excuse that he was born angry and that's the way God made him? Of cource not. He can work to overcome it.

The point of this is that yes, some people may have a natural tedency toward same sex attraction. But to say this is natural for me and thus is the way God made me and nothing can be done about it is wrong.

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I think what is meant by being born gay is that even before time comes and you hit puberty, it is already written in your genes which sex you would be most attracted to.

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I suppose you coul be born gay or lesbian, but I believe it's more of a curiosity, sort of an attention thing.. Maybe ti's becaus ethey don't think they'll ever be loved by the opposite sex, so they try their luck with the same sex.

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Hiestand2000, perhaps, but I think it is more complex than that. I have known several people who are gay. Some of them have even been involved in very serious heterosexual relationships. For them, they had been loved by someone of the opposite sex. In fact, one man I know told me he just was always different. He was always attracted to boys from as early has he remembers. Even as a young child, his crushes were on other boys. To me, that doesn't sound like curiousity or fear of not being excepted by others.

I think there is probably some of both. Some are probably born with same sex attraction. Some turn that way because of really bad experiences in life. Some may choose to experiment with sexual relationships with members of the same sex. Although this might be a homosexual relationship, I don't believe simple experimentation makes you homosexual. So, for me, I think it not just one answer that covers all.