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Abortions have and will continue for long after we are gone. For as far back as history goes, there has been talk of "dropping" babies. Biggest difference now is that it is legal (in some places) and performed in safer places. With that being said, you might think I am for abortions. I am not and do view it as murdering of a life. However, as a man, while I do not have a direct say so, I do think that in the next life men are held accountable to some degree as well (my belief).

My biggest problem with abortions is that, as a tax payer in the US, I am required to pay for this service for many that are performed each year and that a majority of them are for repeat customers. This is their form of birth control. Obviously, all the condom and information programs do not solve the problem. While we cannot stop it, I really do not see why this should become a form of birth control - that I am contributing to.

I have always half joked that if you come back for your second or third abortion, then you should get another "free" operation that will make this far less likely to happen again. In addition, in a half joke, I think that guys that get women pregnant repeatedly without starting a family should receive a "free operation", so that they may sew all the seeds they want...just not fruitful ones.



Just a thought,

Vincenzo

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I really appreciated the fact that this topic began with the practice in Japan, because I have always felt that they go about it the right way. Not a decision to be taken lightly, and one that once taken still allows for mourning. I too am appalled at the practices in India (and China, from what I hear) of using an ultrasound to determine the sex of the unborn then aborting it because it's a girl.

I think the judge made the right decision in the case presesented on this thread. I think in cases of rape, incest, or the mothers health, that abortion should be allowed. I also believe that a first time abortion for a mistake is something that should not be taken lightly at all but also allowed. I can see having ultrasounds to show the stage of development, as long as there is a way to do it without still pressuring the woman as to what her choice will be.

I am a woman. I have had cancer twice. The first time, I went through chemotherapy and made it through. The second time I was told that I needed a total hysterectomy including some connective tissue. I also found out that I was two weeks pregnant.

I have two living children. I did not want to risk depriving them of a mother, and frankly, did not want to take a chance with my own life. I was told my more than one physician, because I did get second opinions..(and third..and fourth!) that for me to carry this to term could endanger my life. I choose the surgery. I cannot have any more children. But I am still around to raise the two I do have, and I am a single parent.

While I cannot understand women who have repeated abortions and use it as a form of birth control and feel there should be some kind of penalty involved, I do think that the abortion laws should stay as they are, simply because if they were changed then it would make abortions for rape, incest victims, and cases like mine when the mother's life is in danger or her health is jeopordized, more difficult, and that would be wrong.

I wish I was in Japan so I could do what those women have done..

I do light a candle every year the day of my surgery and say a prayer for my little one..either in heaven..or perhaps (according to my belief, God offers a choice) reborn into another ....

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I can appreciate other views on this issue. I believe that the person(s) who decides to have or not to have an abortion has to live with the consequences of those decisions for the rest of their lives, but those decisions affect all of us, not just the woman having the abortion. I feel that there are certain cases, such as what Medicvet described, where abortion could be necessary. The health and well being of the mother is very important when considering the termination of a pregnancy. I have mixed feelings about an elected abortion from a rape, incest, or other such tragedy. Even in those cases, does how a woman got pregnant override the rights of a fetus and the worth of their life? However, because of the trauma and the effects on the woman, how she may feel about the child, and any other difficulties that could arise in these cases, I am not saying that I would want to prevent an abortion in one of these cases. Terminating a life that was supposed to be here on earth is not only a tragic and sad loss, I feel it is, in some cases, unjustifiable. Laws need to be enacted to protect the life and rights of an unborn child that cannot be expressed by them. In making abortion legal, I feel as if we have handed a loaded gun to the women who abuse this practice. In saying that, I am not saying that I cannot understand the reasons someone might have in electing to have an abortion, but that still does not make it a correct choice or the best option. I know I cannot tell someone what is best for them personally, but I do feel I have the right to tell them what to do when it comes to an innocent, indefensible, and worthwhile life. Though I am not in a place to judge at all, these are some of the motives I have against abortion.

I would also like to reiterate what I said earlier:

How can anyone argue with this statement, especially from someone who is alive because an abortion was not performed? No one can make a valid argument with my perspectives on this, at least in my opinion they can't. While I understand Vincenzo's points and agree that there may be improper use of tax money for abortions, this issue is very difficult to look at from that standpoint for me. I mean, we are talking about someone's LIFE. That could mean the difference between any one of you, of us, being here today or not. I am sure that none of us wants our life being boiled down to the importance of money, and definitely not to some impulsive, selfish, thoughtless, avoidable, immoral, and unwise decision that some women make. I am not saying that abortion is not a terribly difficult and anguishing decision for some, but for others it doesn't seem to be. Again, these are only my thoughts. Lastly, I wanted to say that I understand and agree with Medicvet's situation. Though my situation wasn't quite as severe, I also had to have a hysterectomy when I was 30. I was not pregnant at the time, but I can say that the decision of what to do would have been agonizing, and I just can't say what I would have personally done. I accept that some abortions are unavoidable and feel compassion towards those who have had to have one. And, though I think it wrong and against my personal and religious beliefs in most cases, I do have empathy for those who sorrow and struggle with their decision to have an abortion or if they have already had one.

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I always hear that the right to abortion is all about a woman's "right to choose." I disagree with this stance. So, if it is about a woman's right to choose what happens to her, what if she chooses differently than people WANT her to? If she chooses to have an abortion, and her husband, minister, friends, and doctors all urge her to keep the baby.... Well, we know what happens then, don't we. The NOW is out in force. NARAL is all over the media decrying the attacks on her "right to choose."

But in this case, a woman decided to KEEP the baby. Read what that decision cost her.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...3-2005Apr6.html

And here is some excellent commentary about it.
https://www.iwf.org/inkwell/default.asp?archiveID=1224

Hmmmm. Reading the story, I don't see any Planned Parenthood responses about how her choice was heroic or anything. Maybe, since she took the more painful, more difficult route, they consider her to be cowardly?

Very interesting story.

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The province of Quebec (where I reside) has the highest abortion rate in Canada. It seems that abortion is used simply has another birth control method. This in my opinion, is a real moral and social disgrace and has nothing to do with womens rights.

My views on abortion are quite close to those expressed by yourself and Dawnofthnew. I do however, support selective abortions at the early stage of pregnancy in cases where rape, incest etc... are at cause

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Ok, it seems I'm in the minority here but I'm going to take a deep breath and say that I honestly believe that every country should legalise abortion.
Yes, abortion is morally and spiritually wrong, I agree. Yes, putting the unwanted child up for adoption is an option. Yes, the child may be able to live a satisfying life, full of love and happiness. Yes, abortion rights maybe abused.

But stop and think,
-We're living in a modern society, with all the increasing crimes that seem to be associated with being 'modern.'Specifically rape and child abuse.

-Abortions carried out in backstreets are unsafe

-Think of the emotional trauma a child up for adoption is put through knowing that he/she was unwanted at birth. The struggle to gain self-confidence, to face life.

-The stress on the adoptive parent when the child wants to look for his/her biological parents and if those biological parents want the child back.

-Most children placed in adoption have to live their lives in such centres.

-Rape victims have to live with a symbol of the most horrid injustice done to them. They may even mistreat/abuse the child having been so physically, emotionally and psychologically traumatised.

-So many women today are not fit to be called mothers. They lack not only the time, but the patience and love associated with parenthood.

-These unwanted/mistreated children often lack guidance and are, more often than not, some of the most uncivilised persons in society.

- Society will never be able to do enough for these children placed in adoption centres.

-What's worse than seeing a child unhappy and struggling with life whether at home with abusive and neglectful parents or at these adoption centres hoping for a rare hero?

Personally, I'd rather see a dead child than a suffering one. If I was the child of a rape, unwanted, likely to be abused, I would rather be aborted. Real life isn't as beautiful as we fool ourselves into believing.
Society can say all they want about abortion.They dont know the situation of the mother, (I exclude the father because I firmly believe that an abortion decision should be primarily the mother's to make) be it mentally, physically, financially. Society isn't the one raped, isnt going to be there when the child cries, isnt the one providing financially for the life of that child, isnt going to teach and nurture the child.
I say LEGALISE abortion, make it safe, give the mother a choice but simultaneously make her aware of the pain of the procedure, that she would have to live with not only this decision the rest of her life but discrimination by a society that may fail to understand.
Let the moral and spiritual values of the mother guide her decision if such be the case but give her the choice. Society can rant and rave but that's about it.

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Oh please, how do they know a living organism is not feeling pain? In fact, I remember seeing a video of the natural reaction of the fetus to anything foreign in the womb.

Report Saying Babies Don't Feel Abortion Pain Early Comes Under Fire
Berkeley, CA (LifeNews.com) -- A new report from researchers at the University of California says unborn children do not likely feel the pain of abortions during the earlier parts of a woman's pregnancy. The findings are coming under fire from doctors who specialize in fetal development and they say it's off the mark. The UC report, which appears in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association, says unborn children likely do not feel any pain, including that of an abortion, until 28 weeks into pregnancy. The report, intended to undercut support for Congressional and state-level legislation requiring abortion doctors to inform women considering an abortion of the pain babies will feel, says offering women anesthesia for the baby is misguided. Allowing women considering an abortion to have the unborn child anesthetized beforehand is another component of the bill. However, Dr. Kanwaljeet Anand of the University of Arkansas Medical Center says the report is biased. He said he and other specialists in development of unborn children have shown that babies feel pain before birth as early as 20 weeks into the pregnancy. Anand said other medical studies conclude that unborn babies are "very likely" to be "extremely sensitive to pain during the gestation of 20 to 30 weeks." "This is based on multiple lines of evidence," Dr. Anand said. "Not just the lack of descending inhibitory fibers, but also the number of receptors in the skin, the level of expression of various chemicals, neurotransmitters, receptors, and things like that."
Ref. https://m1e.net/c?36058188-.iUw8ryc7iqgY%40...4-GVyUbEFAn00/Q

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In follow up to above, what did she expect? Roses and chocolates?

ANGRY E-MAIL FOLLOWS FETAL PAIN ARTICLE

The editor of a medical journal that published an article this week saying fetuses likely don't feel pain until late in pregnancy said Thursday she has received dozens of angry e-mails from abortion opponents.
Ref. https://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/08/25/fetal...n.ap/index.html