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LDS, I agree with you. Israel says it is only - Page 18 - Studies of Judaism - Posted: 21st Apr, 2004 - 4:14pm

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Poll: Which statement is the MOST true for you with regards to the Israeli vs. Palestine conflict?
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  Israel is a terrorist State       10.94%
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  Palestine is a terrorist State       23.44%
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  Palestine has no claim on anything since the last war       6.25%
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  Israel should withdraw and allow Palestine to become a State       9.38%
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  Israel is only doing what the USA wants       3.12%
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  Palestine is only doing what the Islamist want       1.56%
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  Both people are equally blood hungry       10.94%
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  Both people really want peace but are blind       9.38%
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  Israel owns the Middle East       1.56%
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  Israel does not belong in the Middle East       9.38%
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  Palestine are angry because they were conquered       1.56%
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  Palestine was there first and deserve their land       12.50%
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Palestine Statehood Who Is Right? Should Palestine be its own soverign nation state? Why is the USA attempt to block this from happening? Is Israel using an apartheid system much like South Africa did where people are segregated into undesirable areas and become unable to access the basic necessities of life? Does Israel have a point that they have major security challenges against those trying to harm them? How can this be resolved or will it ever? Will there be a Palestine state?
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18th Apr, 2004 - 9:42pm / Post ID: #

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Who is advising Bush on foreign policy??


Whoever it is, I hope he keeps it up. I disagree with much of his domestic policy, as it is more socialist than the Democrats. But I believe that he is doing an extremely good job in the foreign policy.

My only question is, why has Israel waited so long to take these steps? I couldn't care less what the rest of the "world", including Britain thinks of these actions, because the rest of the world has proven over and over and over (ad nauseum) that if the Arabs do it, it is ok, but if Israel does it, it is genocide.

As reported on ABC news:
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ABDUL AZIZ RANTISI: We are all waiting for the last day of our life, nothing will be changed. If it is by apache or by cardiac arrest, I prefer to be by apache.


He got his preference.

Also, from another of my favorite blogs:
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Steve asks:

    Why do the Palestinians get to jump ahead of the Kurds?

Oppression is morally politically O.K. when Arabs are doing it. It was O.K. for the Palestinians to be oppressed by Trans-Jordan and Egypt. It is only when the "oppressors" changed identity that it became an issue.


I would add that they are "oppressed" far less by the Israelis than they ever were by Egypt and Jordan. But, since it was Arabs doing it to Arabs, it was OK.



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19th Apr, 2004 - 7:04pm / Post ID: #

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because the rest of the world has proven over and over and over (ad nauseum) that if the Arabs do it, it is ok, but if Israel does it, it is genocide.


I don't think so, unless you tell me what's your concept of 'the rest of the world'.



19th Apr, 2004 - 7:16pm / Post ID: #

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All the people in the world who complain that Israel is completely wrong in the way it deals with the Palestinian Arabs when the local Arab countries treated them MUCH worse, without the same people (countries, groups, etc) complaining. Or, the people who disregard the plight of the Kurds in Iraq and Turkey (under Arab/Muslim domination) while screaming at Israel for trying to survive.

How many times has the UN scolded Israel? How many times has it scolded the Sudan for REAL genocide and cultural cleansing?

Since Israel is populated by the hated Jews, let's all jump on the wagon and condemn them for every action, but turn a blind eye to the Arab atrocities.



Post Date: 19th Apr, 2004 - 8:26pm / Post ID: #

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So what you are saying, is that Israel justified in its above the law attitude.

Why does Israel NOT permit international observes in Gaza and the West Band ? Is it possible they are braking every rule of the Geneva Convention ?? If not, let the neutral observers in.

19th Apr, 2004 - 11:46pm / Post ID: #

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No, I am saying that there is a double standard. Arabs get away, literally, with murder, while if Israelis take any action whatsoever to protect themselves and their families FROM this murder, they are committing genocide.

I don't know why they won't let neutral observers into Gaza and the West Bank. Who would you suggest as neutral observers? What country, besides the US, hasn't condemned Israel and praised the terrorists in the last decade? Which country has NOT objected to Israel closing its borders with Gaza and the West Bank? I don't know of any country other than the US that has consistently supported Israel in its fight for survival.

Even Britain has turned against Israel. When Israel offered everything that Arafat was asking for, Britain criticized them for not offering more, after Arafat started the latest Intifada.



From the Wall Street Journal's Opinion website:
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Israel may or may not love Palestinian children, but it does a better job than the Palestinian "leaders" of looking out for their welfare. "Israeli government sources said they had struck at the first available opportunity, but had to wait for weeks because Rantisi had surrounded himself with children," notes the Associated Press.

Remember the little boy who was supposedly killed by Israeli soldiers during a shootout a couple of years ago? It seems that some journalists from European countries did some analysis of the whole thing, and found that not only was it staged, but that the boy probably wasn't really shot at all. If he was, then it almost certainly came from the Palestinian side of the firefight, not the Israelis.

A couple of days ago, I saw a picture, of the exact same boy, carried by the exact same man, in the exact same hospital, but the picture was taken from a different angle. They claimed it was another boy, shot in a recent attack by the Israelis.

Lots of propaganda. Lots of lies. And the Palestinians love to use children as political pawns. Even their own.

Reconcile Edited: Nighthawk on 19th Apr, 2004 - 11:58pm



20th Apr, 2004 - 6:46pm / Post ID: #

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Perhaps I sound harsh in my earlier posts. Perhaps I will sound harsher from now on.

Dennis Prager, a columnist, wrote today what I have wanted to say, but was too scared to say. Here is his column for today.

Among other things, he said:

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Israel has killed Abdel Aziz Rantisi, the Hamas terror leader, and almost every nation in the world and the nations' theoretical embodiment, the United Nations, have condemned Israel for doing so.

World leaders and the world organization have said almost nothing about Communist China's ongoing destruction of one of the world's oldest civilizations, Tibet. World leaders have said almost nothing about the Arab enslavement and genocide of non-Arab blacks in Sudan. But they convene world conferences to label Israel, one of the most humane and decent democracies on earth, a pariah.

He goes on to express his contempt for "the world" and its collective opinion. He expresses his contempt for the UN. There is much more.

Now for MY point of view, if anyone cares.

I hold the opinion of the "world" in contempt as well. As I have said before, most of the people who condemn Israel for its actions regarding the "Palestinian" Arabs turn a blind eye or even justify the abject slavery, genocide, and ethnic cleansing currently occuring in Muslim Sudan. Or they publicly praise terror leaders such as Arafat and Mandela.

The UN is a debating society with absolutly no credibility. The only reason "the UN" objected to the US invasion of Iraq was the fact that the UN was siphoning off billions of $ from the "Oil for Food" program, as was France, Germany, and Russia. These same corrupt people and organizations continually harangue and condemn Israel as a "rascist" nation, for its "apartheid" policies, and its "genocide" of the "Palestinian" people. When the Israelis decided to put up a wall between the Arabs and the Israelis, and let the Arabs trade with whomever they wanted, the "world" objected. Israel didn't try to tell the Palestinians that they couldn't work, live, trade, or do business with anyone in the world, except for Israel. When Arabs send 12 year-old boys strapped with explosives into Israel, and Israeli soldiers save the boy's life, who gets condemned? Israel.

When Arab snipers shot a 15 month-old baby in the head, while in her mother's arms, who got condemned? Not the Arabs. When Israeli soldiers dozed the homes and gathering places of known terrorists, with plenty of warning, and a stupid American terrorist-sympathizer got in the way and got killed, did anyone point out that anyone with a lick of sense doesn't get in front of a mozing bulldozer? No, they blamed the Israelis for killing her.

Israel is right to kill the terrorists. They have tried for decades to negotiate, but it hasn't worked. The terrorists keep killing Israeli women and children. Arab schools keep teaching their children that the only road to peace is to kill all the Jews (notice, they don't teach them that it is necessary to kill the military or the political leadership, but ALL the Jews).

Did you know that the current Palestinian organizations, including the PLO, Hammas, and Hezbollah have a direct line of ideology to Hitler and the National Socialist movement in Germany? The mufti of Jerusalem (1940's through at least the 1960's) was a frequent visitor with Hitler, Goebbels, and Himmler. He, along with many other Arab leaders of the time actively helped Nazi Germany, and continued their policies and activities long after the fall of the Third Reich.

I don't say that all Israel does is right. But it is far better than the alternative.



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21st Apr, 2004 - 1:30am / Post ID: #

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Nighhawlk, not everything is so black and white in my opinion. Your concept about the 'world' may involve the big and poweful countries whom pretty much have a say in what's going on in the world, but they are many countries who do not have a stand and other persons like me who do not defend any side and who think both sides enjoy shedding blood, yes, I firmly believe that Israel and Palestine enjoy shedding the blood of each other, when I see certain news on TV, I can it in the eyes and there is nothing you or me or anybody else can stop the genocide going on there.



21st Apr, 2004 - 4:14pm / Post ID: #

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LDS, I agree with you. Israel says it is only trying to defend itself, and much of what they do is, in my opinion justified, but not all. I haven't really seen them make any great effort towards peace. If they are truly interested in peace, they must make some concessions. They seem unwilling to do so. However, I think there is little question that the Palentinians as a group aren't interested in peace either. I don't think it is about concessins with them. I do believe they just don't want Israel to exist period.

Generally, I feel like the US turns a blind eye whenever Israel does anything. I do think there have been many times in the past when Israel has done something we would not allow another country to do without some kind of objection at least. However, I must admit, I feel they are well within their rights to do whatever they need to in order to stop the terrorist acts that are occurring within their borders.

Reconcile Edited: tenaheff on 21st Apr, 2004 - 4:17pm




 
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