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Israel is a terrorist state. For over 35 years Israel has subjected the Palestinians to a brutal, harsh, miserable occupation that has almost universally rejected international law. The reason why there has not been a peace settlement in the Middle East is because for 25 years the U.S. has unilaterally blocked it. If you want to see the generous land agreements that are now currently being made check out the London Financial Times from Jan. 4, 2005 which reveals that the Palestinians are to be given almost 0% of the land. Israel must get out of the occupied territories if we truly want peace and political progress.

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I must assume from your post that you have read very little, if any, of the total topic here. Your assertions have been thoroughly discussed.

1. Palestinian Arabs WERE given a land. It is called Jordan. They (or their parents or grandparents) were encouraged to stay where they were, and live within the country of Israel. However, leaders in Jordan, Syria, and Egypt as well as other Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia, told them that if they would flee, those countries would wipe out all the Jews in the region, then they could move back in and take over the Jewish lands and wealth. However, when those countries attacked in May of 1948, they were beaten back by the fledgling Israeli military. At that time, Jordan, Egypt and Syria refused to allow those people that thay had encouraged to leave their homes to move into those countries and settle. Instead, those countries set up the refugee camps and assured that the people would live in extreme poverty and misery. In 1967, and again in 1973, those same countries again attacked Israel. In order to assure that they would not be further attacked from their weak points, Israel took the lands along the West Bank, the Golan Heights, and the Gaza Strip, as well as the Sinai penninsula. They later, at the urging of the UN and the US, ceded Sinai back to Egypt.

Still, Jordan, the land set aside specifically for the Arabs in that region, refused to let any of those people live there. As time went on, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, and all the other Arab/Muslim countries sent suicide bombers, rockets, bombs, and assorted forms of mayhem through the "refugee" camps to kill Jews, Christians, and even Muslims inside the borders of Israel.

Israel has provided trade, education, and religious freedom to the "Palestinian" Arabs. The education has been rejected, the religious freedom spurned, and the trade abused. The "leaders" of the Palestinian Arabs have done far more to assure the poverty and miserable existence of the Arabs than anyone else in the world, including murdering any Arab Muslim or Christian person who traded or tried to coexist with Israelis.

BTW, somewhere between 400,000 and 800,000 Arabs were displaced in 1948. Between 800,000 and 1,200,000 Jews were displaced, with all their property and wealth confiscated, from surrounding Arab/Muslim countries between 1945 and about 1960. Many thousands more were murdered.

At the time, there was a severe problem in the region of manpower, both skilled and unskilled, being needed. However, the Muslim countries continued to expel, torture, and murder the skilled Jews, and refused to allow any "Palestinian" Arab, either of those who stayed in Israel or those who voluntarily displaced themselves, to immigrate into their countries.

2. The plan that Sharon has proposed includes over 90% of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. This land would be given to the Arabs. When Arafat started the latest Intifada, Barak had offered Arafat over 90% of his demands. Arafat walked away from the bargaining table, and the next day started the cycle of violence that has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths and severe injuries.

One thing that the Israelis CANNOT give up, is to allow the West Bank and Gaza Strip to be fully united. All of the Arab/Muslim countries have sworn to destroy (not defeat) Israel, to kill or expel every Jew (or Christian, but that is quieter) from Dar al-Islam, or the land that they claim for Islam. Nothing else is acceptable. That is why the Palestinian children only see maps of the Middle East with no hint of the land of Israel on them. Israel is no threat to any of the Muslim countries, as it only asks to be left alone. The Muslim countries, on the other hand, continually threaten Isreal in every way, with total destruction. They do so openly and vocally.

3. There is only one country in all the Middle East where any Arab can get ANY job, get any education, start a business, vote with total confidence, experience religious freedom, travel as he wishes, and even speak his mind. That land is Israel. This included the Palestinian Arabs, with some restrictions, until they started the extreme violence again in the 2nd Intifada.

4. If you look at any map, you will see that in Dar al-Islam, which stretches from the western coast of northern Africa all the way across Africa and Asia, Israel consists of 1% of the land. Within the Arab world of the Middle East, the Arabs own 90% of the land, Israel owns 10%. Yet Israel out produces ALL of the Arab world in every way, from agriculture to business to invention and innovation. The only thing that the Arab world has more of than Israel is oil. And they have to have other countries drill, pump, refine, and distribute it for them. Israel provides an amazing array of new inventions, innovations, businesses, and general welfare, even for the Arab countries.

If the Palestinian Arabs had stopped the violence at the time of Barak, and accepted the opportunity they were offered, they would have been able to partake of that bounty.

As far as your assertion that Israel is a terrorist country, Israel does NOT purposely target innocent women and children. Yes, sometimes women and children get killed. But in the vast, vast majority of cases, Israeli soldiers put themselves into danger to protect the lives of the innocent, even in "Palestine". However Palestinian Arabs purposely target women and children, with a cold heartedness that would make the Nazi death machine proud. There are many documented cases of babies being targeted by snipers, bombers, and assassins. One of the very recent cases being two gunmen who casually walked up to a car with a pregnant woman and her five daughters in it, and shooting each of them in the head. The youngest was under 2 years old.

Since I don't expect that you will read through the entire thread, I will say that while I am a "friend of Israel", I don't agree with all of their policies, nor their actions. At the same time, I have taken the time to become informed about what is happening there, the history of the conflict, and the political forces at work. My own religion has suffered somewhat at the hands of the Israeli government. But it is nothing compared to what the Arabs have done to other Christian groups in Israel, Egypt, and Lebanon.

Palestine vs. Israel Judaism Studies

HISTORIC CHANGES FOR ISRAELI BORDERS

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's Cabinet began charting Israel's future borders in a historic session Sunday, giving final approval to a withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and a revised route for the West Bank separation barrier that would move Israel's border closer to that of its original frontier.
Ref. https://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1%2C1249%2C...13657%2C00.html

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Well, browsing around some good sites today, I found a great little article about Israel, and how the Arabs treat this country.

Click here to read the article.

Israeli Arab explodes Mideast 'lies'
Lebanese woman says she discovered freedom in Jewish state

I strongly advise that you read the whole article.

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Well, here I am again, with another installment of information to show that the situation in Israel is not quite what the worldwide media makes it out to be.

https://archive.mail-list.com/naomiragen/msg00810.html
Encounter at Hadassah

This article is about two men who met in a hospital. Michael Levine is freelance reporter who lives in Israel. The other man is from Gaza City, a Palestinian Arab, who was in the hospital with his brother. For a couple of days, the two men, both professionals, both well educated, talked about the situation in Israel and the Gaza strip.

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Anti-disengagement protestors block major Tel Aviv highway
By Roni Singer, Haaretz Correspondent, Haaretz Service and the Associated Press

Settlers protesting the disengagement plan brought rush-hour traffic to a standstill in south Tel Aviv on Monday evening, when they blocked the Ayalon Highway at the Kibbutz Galuyot junction and placed burning tires across the road.

Do Settlers Really Want A Pull-Out?
Ref. https://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/552004.html

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It is quite obvious that the settlers do NOT want to pull out. Sharon and the government have presented the plan for the pullout without offering it up for referendum. The settlers feel betrayed. They put themselves at physical and economic risk to settle in the areas Israel won from Jordan and Egypt. Now, without any sort of mandate from the people, Sharon is telling these Israelis that they must pull out, or be on their own.

Palestine vs. Israel Studies Judaism - Page 28

A Force to be Reckoned With: The New Palestinian Uprising

The State of Israel, as Edward Said and others have long argued, existed in Zionist awareness and was deliberately transformed to become an essentially Western priority before the actual physical construction of the state on the yet to be destroyed hundreds of Palestinian towns and villages.
Ref. https://www.counterpunch.com/baroud05172005.html