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Well recent happenings lead me to believe that Israel has had enough. Will they really try to take out Arafat this time or will it all just simmer down as it always does :

ISRAELIS DECLARE 'ALL-OUT WAR' ON HAMAS
Israel declared "all-out war" against Hamas Monday and said it is freezing
diplomatic relations with the Palestinian Authority unless the Palestinian
leadership takes "tangible steps to deal with infrastructures of terror."
https://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/01/...east/index.html

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Well, this thread was created by JB in March this year, with a very relevant point ..... that is, one of the longest conflict. And as I revisit this thread more than half a year later, I would say things have deteriorated ..... meaning I don't see any end in sight. Maybe, if I revisit 2 years, 5 years, 10 years down the road, I will still see the same situation. Those jokers there in Israel and Palestine do not know what peace is!

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It is a long conflict.  But what I see as contributing to the length of it is the number of myths that seem to pop up all the time.

Now I know that I appear to be completely pro-Israel.  I am quite in favor of the existence of Israel.  However, I find a lot to disagree with concerning the government of the country.  I think their form of parliamentary republicanism is atrocious and extremely stupid, as well as monumentally ineffective.

The stupidity of the Israeli government definitely contributes to the general conflict, mainly in their inability to carry through any action, of any kind.

However, the world's complete acceptance of every little piece of arab propaganda is much worse.  Arabs shoot babies in their mothers' arms, blow up school busses, and use human targeting systems to plant nail bombs in crowded shopping centers, and the world just looks on.  Israelis carefully target the home of the planner of one of those attacks, destroying the bomb lab, and the world immediately calls for a special session of the UN security council.

Joseph Farah has created a couple of lists of myths about the middle east, and includes some documentation of them on his website, WorldNetDaily.  They are very interesting reading.

I also have a copy of the book From Time Immemorial: Origins of Arab-Jewish Conflict by Joan Peters.  It is a thouroughly researched, exhaustively referenced book about the history of the region.

I agree with your assessment that there is no end in sight.  According to my religious beliefs, there will be no end, at least by human means.  It will just continue to deteriorate, until mankind submits to God's will.  All of the "roadmaps to peace" or whatever they will be called will fail, just as the Oslo peace accords have done.

For one thing, the Palestinian Arabs, led by the Egyptian, Arafat, have no intention at all of any type of peace program succeeding.  They teach their children that Israel has no right to exist.  They teach their children that the greatest honor is to die killing Israelis.  They teach their children that violence against civilians is honorable.  Until this changes, nothing else will change.

NightHawk

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More discussion about the "Palestinian" Arab point of view:
https://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus....R20031111f.html

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Palestinians Laughing at American Dead in Iraq, Media Watch Group Says By Julie Stahl CNSNews.com Jerusalem Bureau Chief November 11, 2003 Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Palestinians are mocking and laughing at American casualties in Iraq in their press and elsewhere, an independent Israeli media watchdog group said on Tuesday.

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Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Palestinians are mocking and laughing at American casualties in Iraq in their press and elsewhere, an independent Israeli media watchdog group said on Tuesday.

Yes, this is sickening...and what bothers me about both parties is that they believe they're so religious :

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However, the world's complete acceptance of every little piece of arab propaganda is much worse.  Arabs shoot babies in their mothers' arms, blow up school busses, and use human targeting systems to plant nail bombs in crowded shopping centers, and the world just looks on.  Israelis carefully target the home of the planner of one of those attacks, destroying the bomb lab, and the world immediately calls for a special session of the UN security council.

I don't want to seem as though I am picking on you in specific, but I seriously disagree with this statement.  These things you are saying of the Palestinians could easily be said against the Israeli army.  And I have not heard of any acceptance of any "Arab Propoganda."  Where is this happening?  When a suicide bomber strikes in Israel, we hear of it for days on end.  When 100's of young Palestinian men are round up to be tortured, executed, or God knows what, there is barely a whisper about it on the evening news.  When an Isreali child dies, the photo is shown and America sends it's sympathy.  When a Palestinian child dies, and there is at least a few on adverage per week, do we hear of it?  I could go on and on.  This is a debate I really do not want to get into because it never ends, but Isreal is guily of crimes equal to that of the holocoust.  They are like the abused child that grows up to become the abuser.

It sounds like you like to read.  May I suggest one to add to your collection?  It is called:

"Serching Jenin"  and the author is Ramzy Baroud.  I will give a breif summary:

"We may never know how many Palestinians died in Jenin.  In the end, however, it is not the number who died that will tell the story.  It is the savage cruelty experienced by those who survived Israel's assult that will ultimately define the legacy of that devastaed square mile of earth.  Their story must be told, and remembered."

The book consists of interviews with citizens of Jenin who survived the invasion.  Completely in their own words.  And I wish that people would read it as these are things are are not presented to us in the west on the news channels.  We must look for ourselves to get both sides of this issue in order to form a balanced opinion.

Thanks for listening.

PEACE!

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I don't think you are picking on me  :)

Most of the world claims that Israel is the bully in all of this.  But Israel was attacked in 1948, 1967, 1973, and in both of the Intifadas.

There are claims that Israel rounds up hundreds and thousands of Palestinian Arab men.  But those claims only come from the arabs.  There is no independant confirmation that I have heard of.  Since most of Europe is firmly in camp with the Palestinian Arabs, I would expect them to be reporting such things.  But they don't.

There is only one country in all the Middle East where an Arab can be assured of the opportunity to own a business, attend the school of his/her choice, and vote in an election.  There is also only one country where a Palestinian can own property.  That one country is Israel.

How many times has Israel sent people in and just randomly targeted and killed Arab children?  Yet it happens almost daily where Arabs do it.

The Palestinians are Jordanians, Syrians, and Egyptian.  Yet Jordan, Syria, and Egypt refuse to allow them to live, work, or attend school in their countries.

Israel has made mistakes, and has done horrible things.  But they don't target the children.  They do target the adults who target the Israeli children.

To compare Israeli actions with the holocaust of Nazi Germany is not a good thing.  The Israelis, even if they were to do all that the Arabs accuse them of, are not a fraction of what Nazi Germany, Italy, and the Arabs did to the Jews in the late 1930's and 1940's.  By using this, to accuse the Israelis of being like the Nazis, is an extremely obvious attempt to sway opinion through an emotional propaganda program.

If the Arabs would stop killing Israelis, the Israelis would stop retaliating.  They have unilaterally stopped several times, until the Arabs once again started the atrocities.

I am sure that we will not agree on this subject.  There is too much hatred between Islam and Judaism, and I am too much in sympathy with Israel.

BTW, it has now been shown, conclusively, that all the reports of the atrocities in Jenin were grossly exagerated.  It was European - French, German, and Belgian - reporters that dug that information up, while trying to condemn the Israelis.

NightHawk

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I don't have empathy for none of them and by 'them' I mean the government and the people who may agree in killing each other. Children are innocent no matter where they are from. I don't believe Israel carefully targets the people they wanna kill, there are plenty times they have killed civilians and also Palestinian children. By the other side I watch the news and see the faces of some of the Palestinians who celebrate when Israelis are being killed and I think this is a horror! a terrible, terrible thing! I cannot comprehend the relationship between religion and life here because both of groups are acting against what God has commanded. I don't think this issue is never going to end and I think both Palestine and Israel are responsible for the murderds of hundreds of people every day and they will be hold accountable one day for these actions.