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29th Aug, 2004 - 3:57am / Post ID: #

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I dont claim to be naive and not believe that there were atrocities by some individuals during any war, more so the Vietnam war. I still dont think that merited Kerry to betray the majority of his fellow Americans, and soldiers who were not engaging in such cruel acts after he had already gotten his butt out of there and was safe from enemy fire.

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Kerry worked to put an end to such atrocities and to spare his fellow soldiers from unecessary horror and death


Because of his 1971 testimony, he endagered the lives of many soldiers and POW's and his words were used as slaps in the faces of those who were man enough to serve more than 4 months fighting for their country and their government. That statement is an oxymoron if I've ever heard one!

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Kerry is much more powerful than I thought. Either that, or the right-wing spin machine has the power to make their followers embrace such ludicrous hyperbole


Seems like the left wing has the same powers!


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29th Aug, 2004 - 3:12pm / Post ID: #

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Well, here is another analysis of how much influence JF...Kerry had on the "wounds of Vietnam."

I know that some people are going to dismiss this out of hand, since the author, Mark Steyn, is known as a somewhat conservative commentator, and, since "Anyone But Bush" is the day-to-day mantra.

However, that doesn't address the very solid facts and logic contained within this, and many other, articles recently.

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So when John McCain sternly warns the swift boat veterans of ''reopening the wounds of Vietnam,'' it's worth asking: Why is Vietnam a ''wound'' and why won't it heal? The answer: not because it was a military or strategic defeat but because it was a national trauma. And whose fault is that?

Well, you can't pin it all on one person, but, if you had to, Lt. John F. Kerry would stand a better shot at taking the solo trophy than almost anyone. The ''wounds'' McCain complains of aren't from losing Vietnam, but from the manner in which it was lost.


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Post Date: 30th Aug, 2004 - 6:31pm / Post ID: #

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Its Night One of hoopla and celebration for Republicans in New York City, as hundreds of thousands of protesters take to the streets to call for President Bush's defeat.Today, the fight for the limelight is between the uniquely significant Sen. John McCain and the City of New York itself. Ted Koppel and Chris Bury are there. The Republicans begin their convention tonight, a four-day effort to boost voter support for President Bush.

This is the first time the Republicans have held a convention in heavily Democratic New York City. And the reason the campaign picked this city is obvious - the reminder of 9/11 and the war on terror will be put front and center by the campaign all week. That tone began immediately yesterday when Vice President Cheney arrived in New York at Ellis Island for a welcome rally and referred to the absence of the Twin Towers in the New York skyline.

Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of demonstrators have come to New York City this week for a series of protests intended to grab attention away from the events inside Madison Square Garden. So far the protests have been large, but relatively peaceful. Will that continue?
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Post Date: 5th Sep, 2004 - 1:48pm / Post ID: #

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This article dispells the lies told about John Kerry at the Republican National Convention:
https://slate.msn.com/id/2106119

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The main falsehood, we have gone over before, but it keeps getting repeated, so here we go again: It is the claim that John Kerry, during his 20 years in the Senate, voted to kill the M-1 tank, the Apache helicopter; the F-14, F-16, and F-18 jet fighters; and just about every other weapon system that has kept our nation free and strong.

Here, one more time, is the truth of the matter: Kerry did not vote to kill these weapons, in part because none of these weapons ever came up for a vote, either on the Senate floor or in any of Kerry's committees.

This myth took hold last February in a press release put out by the RNC. Those who bothered to look up the fine-print footnotes discovered that they referred to votes on two defense appropriations bills, one in 1990, the other in 1995. Kerry voted against both bills, as did 15 other senators, including five Republicans. The RNC took those bills, cherry-picked some of the weapons systems contained therein, and implied that Kerry voted against those weapons. By the same logic, they could have claimed that Kerry voted to disband the entire U.S. armed forces; but that would have raised suspicions and thus compelled more reporters to read the document more closely.

What makes this dishonesty not merely a lie, but a damned lie, is that back when Kerry cast these votes, Dick Cheney-who was the secretary of defense for George W. Bush's father-was truly slashing the military budget. Here was Secretary Cheney, testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Jan. 31, 1992:

Overall, since I've been Secretary, we will have taken the five-year defense program down by well over $300 billion. That's the peace dividend. "¦ And now we're adding to that another $50 billion "¦ of so-called peace dividend.

Cheney then lit into the Democratic-controlled Congress for not cutting weapons systems enough:

Congress has let me cancel a few programs. But you've squabbled and sometimes bickered and horse-traded and ended up forcing me to spend money on weapons that don't fill a vital need in these times of tight budgets and new requirements. "¦ You've directed me to buy more M1s, F14s, and F16s-all great systems "¦ but we have enough of them.

I'm not accusing Cheney of being a girly man on defense. As he notes, the Cold War had just ended; deficits were spiraling; the nation could afford to cut back. But some pro-Kerry equivalent of Arnold Schwarzenegger or Zell Miller could make that charge with as much validity as they-and Cheney-make it against Kerry.

In other words, it's not just that Cheney and those around him are lying; it's not even just that they know they're lying; it's that they know-or at least Cheney knows-that the same lie could be said about him. That's what makes it a damned lie.


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Martin Eden, while we appreciate the article, we can read its contents on our own, so please refrain from quoting so much and instead, use it as a reference for an opinion you may have. Thanks!


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5th Sep, 2004 - 4:51pm / Post ID: #

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A startling number to report now that both parties' conventions are over. At the DNC convention in Boston, there were 3 arrests made. At the RNC convention in New York, over 1700 arrests. Does this show more emotion at one candidate over the other, or that Democratic voters do not know how to protest peacefully. Also, another number. After the DNC convention, Kerry did not gain any ground in the polls. After the RNC convention, Bush increased his slim lead to double digits with a 52-41 approval rating. It may just be preliminary numbers, but I think it says a lot for the shallow message that the DNC is bringing with their campaign, and the realization that taking Bush out and putting Kerry in can do no good.


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5th Sep, 2004 - 9:23pm / Post ID: #

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I found it interesting that there was such a contrast between the two conventions, as well as between the candidates.

The DNC was all about "two Americas", a divide between the Left and the Right. They highlighted the differences.

The RNC was all about one America, the one that has been under attack, that is defending itself, and is willing to sacrifice to protect itself and foster freedom around the world.

I was particularly impressed by Zell Miller's speech last week. He reiterated the votes that John Kerry made, that MartinEden claims were never made.

He also reiterated the claim that earlier (this year?) John Kerry voted against purchasing battle armor for the troops currently under fire in Iraq and Afghanistan. Does anyone know anything more about this?

Zell Miller made the best point that I can think of. We are in a time of war and danger. Who would you trust to protect your family? George W. Bush, or John F. Kerry? Which one has proven more to be the warrior and protector?


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5th Sep, 2004 - 9:49pm / Post ID: #

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He also reiterated the claim that earlier (this year?) John Kerry voted against purchasing battle armor for the troops currently under fire in Iraq and Afghanistan. Does anyone know anything more about this?


Nighthawk, I wasn't sure if this was a rhetorical question, or whether you were really asking for clarification on this. So I decided I would share what I know. This vote was actually in Oct 2003 I believe and it was for $87 billion for health care, bullet-proof vests and armor for the troops in Iraq. Kerry claims he voted No because at the time he disagreed with the Bush administration on the current war, and this was a way of making his point. By abandoning the troops already stationed there?! Sounds like Vietnam all over again, doesn't it?
There were many Democrats and Republicans alike, who like Kerry at the time, also disagreed with the current war, but knew better than to leave our troops as sitting ducks out there, and voted yes for the $87 billion in support. That is what Zell Miller was referring too, and I think it was a great point to show that Kerry can not be our commander in chief, if he is willing to suffer his troops to make a point, while he sits at home and doesn't have to worry about living through another day in war.


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6th Sep, 2004 - 11:24am / Post ID: #

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Thanks for the clarification. I really wasn't sure what the circumstances around the allegation were.

This is one of my biggest concerns about John Kerry. While he talks well, saying that he supports the troops, he never seems to act that way. He is well liked by those elements of our society that truly want more of our troops to die. I really don't think that he could be a good Commander in Chief, or that he would be willing to make the hard decisions and take the strong stands that are required to maintain our national security.


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