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Well, one of the Greek Philosophers said that you know who are your friends when you are going through hard times. *smile*

There is no *real* hope to convince Jung to stop this stupidness. The guy is a bully and he does not care at all about his own people. I'm afraid to say that I think he will no doubt to use one of those weapons against any country (including the USA) something must be done to stop this but I am afraid that is a bit too late. If the US knew about this, why they didn't invade them as they did with Iraq? (I am not implying that they should *wink* ) just wondering why they haven't done it and now turns up that they haven't found any weapons in Iraq and N. Korea had nuclear tests already. Go figure.

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None of that is surprising. If the US had even hinted that we were considering bombing the N. Korean nuclear facilities, the "world" would have screamed their hearts out. Just go back through some of the discussions here, on this forum, where George W. Bush, and the United States, are frequently called "bullies" and many other names for attempting to limit nuclear weapons technology from places such as North Korea and Iran.

Whether or not there were WMDs in Iraq in early 2003 (which I still believe to have been fact), so very many people seem to think that the US must always be perfect in all its actions. There is no possibility that, despite the fact that literally ALL of the world's intelligence agencies thought, and had evidence, that Iraq had WMDs, including a nascent nuclear weapons program. Despite this assertion that is frequently made, the exact same people now want the US to come up with some way to stop North Korea, while they have been criticizing all of the attempts that the US has been making for the last 6 years.

It is so fashionable to blame George W. Bush for everything, that he is definitely "damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't."

By the way, bombing could easily help with this situation. Bomb the nuclear research facilities. Bomb the heavy water plants. Bomb the storage areas. If some things are missed, then bomb them when they come up. If North Korea ever sells or uses a nuclear device, bomb the capital.

I don't want to see any North Koreans killed, in any conflict, except for the state leadership. I want them gone.

As mousetrails pointed out, talking isn't going to resolve anything. Bill Clinton tried that. He gave them everything they wanted, and they reneged on their deal. Talking now isn't going to help. As far as I am concerned, we are even further beyond the limits of statecraft with North Korea than we were with Iraq.

You are right. We, and everyone else, thought that Iraq had WMDs. Now, we KNOW that Korea, which is even more of a rogue state than Saddam's Iraq, has WMDs.

I would like to see some serious suggestions from the pacifist folks who are always criticizing President Bush, as to how to deal with North Korea. Mostly we get those same folks demanding that the US do something, so that then they have more ammunition to criticize the government for not doing what they think it should have.

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I do not know much about military stuff so you will have to tell me how bombing can solve the problem? But it will cost the lives of thousands of Koreans, right? Since Jung does not care at all about his own people and will careless how many people will die, is it possible bombing with very few people killed?

Edited: LDS_forever on 12th Oct, 2006 - 1:17am

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Reread what I wrote.

Bomb the nuclear research facilities. They are expensive. They contain very precise equipment. It would take a lot of time, and a lot of money to replace them.

Bomb the heavy water plant. Bomb the other facilities that produce nuclear weapon components. Again, it will take a lot of time, and a lot of money to replace them.

Bomb the missile production and launch sites. Make them unusable. When another production facility is built, bomb it. Don't let them get a foothold.

It isn't necessary to kill a lot of Koreans, and still disrupt the plans of the North Korean leadership.

Heck, it wouldn't hurt to bomb a few military sites.

We can, and should, do the same thing to Iran. Or let Israel do it. They will do a much better job of it than we ever would, since they won't let the leftist politicians convince them to make the bombs miss a little bit.

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In my opinion all this talk about bombing North Korea (NK) is insane. How do you think the Chinese population would react if the USA started bombing one of their nearest neighbors? The anti-US sentiment in China would increase significantly I suspect. It would also cause major security problems at the upcoming Beijing Olympics that China would have to somehow address.

I believe that the Chinese hold the key to this conflict. It is they who are keeping the NK economy afloat and the last thing they want to see is a major influx of refugees if it were to collapse. They have a long history with NK regarding Japanese agression in the early 1900s and I think that the two countries will be able to see reason.

The other problem is that if NK is allowed to proceed with it's nuclear weapons program then the east asian arms race will further threaten China's security. I really hope that they (China) can show the leadership that that part of the world really needs.

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I think you are completely missing the point. The subject of this thread is concerning the USA and North Korea.

Right now, North Korea has tens of thousands of missiles pointed at South Korea.

The Korean War was never ended. It is still going on today. While most of the rest of the world has ignored this, the North Korean government has never forgotten, for an instant.

We ALL want China to step in and do something. But we have been waiting for years for China to do something, and they haven't done anything yet!

I would much rather have all of China angry at the US than to let Kim Jong Il have a nuclear weapon. So far, diplomacy has done nothing but provide North Korea with the means to build their nuclear program. Diplomacy has failed. If we wait until diplomacy works, we will wait until a North Korean nuclear weapon has been detonated in Japan or the United States.

North Korea doesn't believe in diplomacy. They (the communist government) believes in force, oppression.

It is time for another preemptive strike. Unfortunately, it isn't going to happen.

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I will repeat Nighthawk's and my request that the pacifist writers on this thread come up with a course of action that will take positive steps to stop North Korea in it's tracks. All I ever hear is, "My God, you can't do that! Humans will die." If we don't take positive steps to stop this wild man in Korea, how many of us will die? So, pacifist writer, let's hear your plan.

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I am not one to usually advocate the use of violence to solve disputes, but there is more scope for it in this situation then most other disputes around the world. Iraq was an illegitimate disaster, Iran would also be an illegitimate disaster, but North Korea isn't. As Nighthawk correctly points out, we know they have a WMDs capability.

North Korea is clearly trying to flex its muscle in a contemptuous way. If they are really testing nuclear weapons then they should be dealt with. However, as was mentioned above, I still believe China is the key.

Whether the US likes to overstate its importance in world affairs, or not, China is the most influential player in this dispute. They are keeping the North Korean economy afloat. China is the only state North Korea will listen to. China must take a lead and tell Kim Jong Il to disarm immediately. If not, China must impose the strictest sanctions that would cripple North Korea's military capability, but not defeat its humanitarian infrastructure. The Koreans still need to be fed.

The Americans haven't done anything about North Korea thus far because there is nothing in it for them. Until North Korea actually threatens US interests, the Bush Administration has no interest to attack. If North Korea had vast amounts of oil I"m sure Kim would have been KO"d a long time ago. It doesn't matter if Kim is a communist or not, his political agenda is irrelevant. He is an evil dictator that has harmed his people for too long.

In saying this, I don't believe the US should not go it alone this time. Get the backing and co-operation of China if the military option is the way to go forward. And no nuclear warfare! We must not make the mistake using the very weapons on North Korea that we are trying to rid.