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JB,
I am very ambivilent about it.
Seeing the reactions of the Iraqui people now that Bush has given the green light, I am inclined to go along with it. They need to be rid of him and his thugs.

What I don't trust is for the Americans to act sensibly once the smoke clears. If we will turn the place over to them and let them run their own country, that's fine.

But if we use Iraq as a staging ground for an invasion of Iran, then I am definately against it.

If we want to do something about Iran's nuclear power plant, let Israel take it out. They're good at that sort of thing.

But the US being a major military presence in Iraq is a very BAD idea.

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I think the UN is still a very important entity, however, it's proving itself to be too unresponsive to pressures such as war and international disputes.

I think the UN is great for providing peacekeeping forces, humanitarian aid, and all these other good things, but when it comes to imposing it's 'will' on other countries, it's a bit of a joke.

To me, the problem is there's too many countries working to their own agendas. Taking this war in Iraq for an example, the agendas are: the US and UK are trying to protect themselves, the Russians have long standing relations with Iraq, and the French have massive economic interests there. When opinions are so very different, there's never a clean line between what to do. In instances such as the Gulf War 1, it was very clean cut. Iraq attacks it's neighbour (ahah, oil state). Thats clearly something that need to be stopped, and so the countries to rally together is more likely. The problem is, you'll never please everyone. And the idea of the security council in the UN, and these members having veto's is disasterous. The likelihood of 5 very very different nations agreeing to commit forces is slim.

The UN is outdated, it hasnt reinvented itself yet to meet the times. It certainly has a place in world order, but I think following through it's threats is something it's not to good at.

Like it or not, the United States is essentially the power that the UN like to think it is, and the power the EU is aspiring to be.

to me shut down the damn UN.... Simple....

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Xtra,
The UN was never designed to be an entity of "imposing its will".
It's primary purpose was just what you stated at the beginning. It provides a place where major powers can come together and talk rather than shoot.

Despite all the rehortic about "International law", there IS no international law. No country existing is willing to give up their own soverignty.

When it comes to the hard decisions, the UN is irrelevant. It can, however, have a purpose and function, in getting countries together to find common ground, to make people look each other in the eye and realize that they are dealing with people rather than "targets".

But there will always be the time when all that fails, when you are dealing with the psycopath, the power-mad, the fanatic.

That is when you have to call on the warriors. Only they can deal with the Hitlers, the Pol Pots, and the Husseins of the world.

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Despite all the rehortic about "International law", there IS no international law. No country existing is willing to give up their own soverignty.

That may be partially true. There is an international criminal court. They can try any citizen from anywhere within the UN for war crimes. This must be done on some sort of law. Law is a collective agreement willing to be enforced. So if a group wishes to make something a command and there is enough muscle behind it, it is law

Just FYI - did you know that a major player in setting up the International Criminal court was in fact a Trinidadian? He is the x-President of our country and was recently honored at the UN for his work.

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That may be partially true. There is an international criminal court. They can try any citizen from anywhere within the UN for war crimes.

You think so? Let them try to put one of our generals on trial and see what happens. (Yes, LDS, I know we're arrogant)

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You think so? Let them try to put one of our generals on trial and see what happens.

No comment, do not want to talk about old doggie dog again.

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Okay, so let us imagine this...

The UN meets and most nations believe the US and Britain are in an 'illegal' standing... what can they do?

Now, let us say that they decide to take up arms... Would the US and UK beable to take on the entire world in war?

Let's say they decide to hurt them economically, by getting the whole world to refuse to trade, buy, sell or anything else with them... would they be able to survive this?

The purpose of this thread is to decide how much power the UN really has, and if it does not have much power then why is it there?

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No on both counts.
The US, while a formidible force, is not invincible.
China alone, is a country we do not want to confront head on.
If the UN got the will and united in a common front, they could take the US out.

The US has become to invested in the international economy. A unilateral boycott would be crippling, although the country could survive it. It has only been the last thirty years that the US has put so much of its capital abroad.

Bring it back home, ala the 1950s, trim back our piggish consumerism and fanatical fantasy that we must grow bigger and bigger every year or we are failing, and we could regroup.

NO ONE is invincible.