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My opinion about the UN, who cares about the UN.  The UN is not made up of free nations, it is made up of free nations who get suckered by nations such as China, Russia (and let us not pretend that Communism is dead there) Syria (now why the heck should we listen to a country that oppresses it's people like Syria) Libia, etc

If you all don't care about the UN. Why the heck looked for their support then? : you all need to make your mind. The UN is not a puppet that you all use it when it's convenience for you and when is not, you leave it in a corner!.

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The US is a free independent country that advocates hard work, democracy, freedom of religion etc, all the stuff that God wants to bless his children on this earth with.

Sometimes I seriously wonder if you think that the USA IS the ONLY country who has these 'blessings'. I know you have traveled before, I'm not sure where but I tell you there are many, many countries out there who are hard working people, they have freedom of speech and religion. The USA is not the only one.

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I have a question for you bush bashers, do you disagree with the Iraquiees that held signs up that said "Bush, Defendeer of World Peace"?

I don't disagree with that at all! they did in fact were VERY happy when the US army kind of 'get rid of' Saddam, that's not the point, the point again is the USA didn't have solid evidence to launch an attack against them. Now don't ask me now how the iraqis feel now, you can see it on CNN all the time! they're sick of the USA  because their need are not being met...where the conditions of living of this people are terrible, no enough clean water, food, medications and job. That's what the people are interested in now.

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I'll be upfront and honest, Bush bashing is inspired by Satan

You made me laugh very loud with this statement lol. I know you love Bush (hope you don't love him more than you love your mom lol, I will be worried if so ). But to say is inspired by Satan is way too silly Brian. I want to believe you're smarter than that man.

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This post is carrying over from the thread on Iraq.

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Correct, please refer to the other thread to continue those lyrics. However, like I said, if you do not like the UN, then do not call their name only when it suits.... understand?

I don't like the UN.  I didn't like the fact that we (the US) went into Kosovo under UN auspices.  I don't like what the UN did in Rwanda.  I don't like what the UN is doing in Africa.  I would be thrilled if the UN would move to Canada.

I object to the US having anything to do with the UN, ever.  If I had my way, we would NEVER call on the UN.

We gave the UN the chance to live up to its own resolutions on Iraq, and it failed.  It proved to the world that it is an irrelevant, impotent, and useless body of wimps.  If there is any body in the world that is overtly imperialistic, it is the UN, NOT the USA.  If the USA was imperialistic or colonistic in nature, Washington, DC would be the capital of the world already.

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The question then is...

Why does the USA have the UN in their country and also carry their banner? There must be a motive? There must be a reason. For me I think it is a matter of self interest of course, but that is just a personal view.

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Because we shouldn't.  The socialists who have had inordinate power for the last 50 years managed to get the UN HQ in NYC, and now there is too much inertia to get it out.

Every year, there is legislation proposed to disengage the US from the UN.  Every year it gets shot down.

Too many people believe the propaganda that the UN ensures peace, despite the fact that the UN doesn't do squat.

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Every year, there is legislation proposed to disengage the US from the UN.  Every year it gets shot down

Well that is the key, who is shooting it down? It seems that your leaders want it. Maybe someone needs to start voicing their opinion over it (someone with voice). To tell you the truth, I have never heard the US speak out against being part of the UN so you must be part of the minority? :-/

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To tell you the truth, I have never heard the US speak out against being part of the UN so you must be part of the minority?

Yes, I am in the minority.  However, there are several Congress members who are in that minority.  Former Ambassador Alan Keyes is a very outspoken opponent of the UN.

Both the Republican and Democratic parties are actually Social Democrats.  They like big social programs, wealth redistribution, and government intrusion.  Since these are all core values of the UN, both parties support the UN.

So, yes, our government is 'in bed' with the UN.  But lately, they are seeing more and more that UN ideas are not good for the US.

- Kyoto treaty
- World Court
- Iraq

These are a few of the recent examples of the US standing up to the UN.  Unfortunately, there aren't enough examples.

NightHawk

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I just went back to the beginning of this topic and read a few posts.

Here are a few points to ponder

By going in to Iraq, the US pointed out to all countries, that we actually DO have the guts to do it alone.  In actuality, we ended up with many, many countries in support of us.

Within the UN, it was France, Germany, Russia, and Syria, within the Security Council that really objected to the US going in.  Ultimately it was France that used the veto.  Within the General Assembly, it was mostly the various Muslim countries (and not all of them) who objected.

The UN is NOT about peace.  If it was, it would have done something about Rwanda.  It had troops in there, but refused to let them even help refugees.

If the UN was about peace, it wouldn't have manufactured the situation in Kosovo that ended up bringing the US in.

Some here think that it is all about the oil.  You are right.  France and Germany, as well as Russia, had the oil concession, via the UN, for the 'Oil For Food' program.  The UN was siphoning off a lot of money, directly into the Secretary General's accounts, in the form of fees and licenses.  We are talking about billions of $$$$$$.  That is why the UN was against the US enforcing the UN resolutions.

Have you noticed that North Korea has gotten a little bit quieter lately?

The job of the President of the United States is not to be liked by the rest of the world.  His job is to be respected, even feared.

Kadaffi once thought that he could spit in the face of the US.  He financed a few well placed bombs.  President Reagan sent him a very direct, very strong message.  Kadaffi has been a good boy ever since.

Sometimes fear is the only way to get some of the bullies to respect something.

As I said before, the UN is not controlled by the US.  The UN is an impotent debating society.  It has never been in the best interest of the United States to be involved in the UN.

Most people only discuss the wars that the UN has had a hand in.  We forget about the absolutely horrible things that the UN is pushing.

For example, UNICEF has a history of promoting forced abortions.

The various conferences on women and families are covers to try to force the US, Muslim countries, and Catholic countries to provide abortions on demand, legitimize homosexual agendas, even allow pedophile sex.  There are passages in some of those written agendas to legitimize sexual activity between adults and children as young as 10 years old!  And they are trying to force these things on the world.

There are those who claim that there is a worldwide conspiracy to destroy Christianity and impose a 'New World Order' on everyone.    If there is, its home is within the UN building in NYC.

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By going in to Iraq, the US pointed out to all countries, that we actually DO have the guts to do it alone.  In actuality, we ended up with many, many countries in support of us.

Did they have other option? :

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Some here think that it is all about the oil.

I am not sure about that but I do feel that Pres. Bush wanted to finish the job his father left.

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The job of the President of the United States is not to be liked by the rest of the world.  His job is to be respected, even feared.

I absolutly disagree with that statement!. The job as the President of the United States of America who by the way is one of the most powerful countries in the world, is to take care of the citizens of his country and see that all of them enjoy the rights and benefits of their citizenship. Regards to his relations with the rest of the world, I think he should be a diplomat since he perfectly knows that one move and everything is gone....so diplomacy is escential for any President, even more for the President of the United States.  There is not such a thing as a job to be 'respected'. Respect is something you earn, you cannot demand it. Now the question would be? did he earn it?.
Feared? then we are talking about another Saddam Husseim who used fear as method to get what he wanted. Is that what Bush wants?.

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Sometimes fear is the only way to get some of the bullies to respect something.

Based on the above statetements, who is really the bully???

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The UN is an impotent debating society.  It has never been in the best interest of the United States to be involved in the UN.

It must been some kind of interest for the United States otherwise they will stop mentioned it everytime they need a' backing' on something.

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For example, UNICEF has a history of promoting forced abortions. The various conferences on women and families are covers to try to force the US, Muslim countries, and Catholic countries to provide abortions on demand, legitimize homosexual agendas, even allow pedophile sex.  There are passages in some of those written agendas to legitimize sexual activity between adults and children as young as 10 years old!  And they are trying to force these things on the world. There are those who claim that there is a worldwide conspiracy to destroy Christianity and impose a 'New World Order' on everyone.    If there is, its home is within the UN building in NYC.

I don't know much about this information, I should research about it before making any comments. All I can say is that if the UN is so bad, then why in the world the USA still being part of it? they can leave any time they want  but I know they will never will....why? because it is serving a very important purpose....people want to 'hear' the UN support or the 'go ahead' on matters that are important. So the USA needs the UN to achieve it, they cannot do it alone.