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Karbala, how dare you call my words ignorant, I read and listen to the news and it is BECAUSE I can read and write and listen I am able to form a conclusion. Before you start going around with your stereotyping all knowing attitude you better bridal your passions and get a grip. If a leader tells me that I cannot pluck my eyebrows just because his interpretation of morales tells him this is how it should be then he is nothing else that a religious dictator - I do not see anything ignorant about that. In fact, it is ignorant to be blinded by a perspective of arrogance. I expect better from you. Actually, I wonder what was that revolution called in the 70s... was "ISLAMIC" revolution or just revolution? Nah - it is not religious at all, most things in Iran leave religion on the back burner right?

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ANY country that willing and purposely defy UN demands should be considered a world's threat. Iran is ONE of them. Like it or not.

Listen, it is not me the one that have this deep respect for this guy. It is you and just because you disagree with my opinion does not make it "ignorant". I do not have to live in Iran to have an opinion of it.

I am sure, just like Iraqis were free to criticize Saddam right?

And for your information, he is a religious dictator because his "views" are solely connected with his religion, Islam and if he gets involved in something so private as personal grooming then he is indeed a religious dictator because he is imposing his personal religious interpretations to his own people. What do you call that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad#_note-24

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In previous posts, Karbala has correctly identified Ahmadinejad as basically a puppet of the Ayatolla. This is absolutely correct. Basically, Ahmadinejad cannot do anything of great significance without the blessings of the Ayatollah. Actually, Ahmadinejad is serving at the will of the Ayatollah, who at anytime could stip him of his title or dissolve the government. I believe that Ahmadinejad's predecessor was on thin ice with the Ayatollah for beginning to go to fast towards western attitudes and steering the people of Iran a bit too far away from the goals of the revolution. So really, when the people there vote, the vote for the true president is already cast and he has a lifetime term. The one that they get to vote for is basically represent the people but serve the Ayatollah and he has given them the right to chose that person. I believe that part of this was done because the Ayatollah really doesn't enjoy politics on the international stage. He is more committed to the revolution and wants someone else to be in front of the camera. So basically, the Ayatollah is ok with the statement on eyebrows.

The problem that most have with the uranium enrichment is scale. Of course we can listen to the words of the Ayatollah and they say one thing, but the scale of enrichment says a very different thing, thus the confusion and distrust. The quantity of centrifuges are disproportional to the goal stated...why is this? The quantity of centrifuges match what would be needed for weapons grade enrichment and as a capacity are way more than enough for simple fuel rod enrichment levels. I am sure you can see the issue here... So we can hear and read the words of the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad and watch all the centrifuges go to work and wonder about why the need for all that capacity.

Many times in history, certain world leaders have said one thing and then something very different happens. Treaties have been written and broken time and time again.

However, as I have stated before, we cannot stop Iran if they want a nuke. It is within their rights to persue a nuke and if the rest of the world is so against it, they have the right to persue Iran not having one. In the most recent past, North Korean, the world was not willing to do anymore than sanction North Korea. Surprise, it didn't work like so many other UN sanctions and NK launched a nuke. Pakistan and India were requested not to build a nuke. They ignored the request and got theirs. Iran has their sanctions, but do we really think it will work? You got my vote on that one...NO! The only question now is how to explain the missinterpretation of no nuclear weapons ambition from both leaders...the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad, but does it really make a difference once you have the nuke? Both men will have stood up to the Western world and said "stick it". I seriously doubt there will be arguements over their old pre-nuke words. What wont be a lie is that the centrifuges can be used to make fuel rod material...what they will have just left out is that it can also make weapons grade material if you have the right type of centrifuges and enough of them...which they do and have shown the world.

The people of Iran are really not free to criticize Ahmadinejad. Oh they can say negative things about him, but they will rarely find their way into any media offerings or will be spun as yet another missinterpretation of what was said. For instance, Ahmadinejad was heckled at a university while giving a speech, which does show that they allow criticism. However, the reported news to the world conflicted. The spinmasters from the government made the heckling sound as a cry against western leaders instead of against Ahmadinejad. Now do I blame them, no as almost every government in the world does similar. No body likes to lose face. However, the western world is far more free to lay criticism at the feet of our leaders than they are in Iran. We are free to make any observations about out government, but if in Iran they cross the line of poking fun at Ahmadinejad personally and go into the area of laws pertaining to doctrine, that is not allowed. So making fun of him personally, is still thwarted, but is tollerated. Just start critiquing the laws...that isn't acceptable to the Ayatollah and therefore not acceptable to the government of Iran and will not be tolerated.

Lastly, I am an American that has been away from America for about 6 years now. I have a rough idea of what America is thinking through the media and from discussions with friends back home. However, I realize that both these sources may be tainted due to their beliefs or agendas. I do my best to try and get as many sources as I can as I believe that helps me see the balance of things. Karbala, I would suggest that we do not know your family or their previous status which would give us a picture of what you would have seen growing up. Not every Iranian or Pakistani has the same view of their government. I appreciate your views on Iran as they generally show me a different picture as to what I would read. Of course, that doesn't mean I subscribe to your theories, just appreciate them as a different point of view and can use them in ammending or forming my own opinion. As I have grown older, I have seen that usually neither side is right and that the truth lies somewhere in between.

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Vincenzo gets the point. Ahmadinejad cannot be a religious dictator because he has as much to do with islamic law as Tony Blair does with catholic law. This is a simple fact which I'm dissapointed some people werent aware of.

Ahmadinejad like some of his predecessors has had his run ins with the Supreme Leader most notably the overruling of his decision to allow women to attend football matches.

I dont think you realise the scale of Iranian energy needs. Consider the following.

1.Iran in a decade will be a net importer of energy. Today more than half of Irans energy is spent for domestic consumption. The Energy consuption in Iran is estimated to grow 7-12% each year. basically within the foreseeable future perhaps a decade or two decades Iran will become reliant on others for energy needs. Bear in mind that Iran earns most of its foreign currency from export of oil. How much money are they going to make by burning oil at home? Also bear in mind Irans relationship with the international community if Iran ever became dependant for fuel.

2. Iran subsideses fuel for its citizens hence creating huge demand with little supply due to sanctions.

3. Iran will need to invest $92 billion (in 2004 prices) in order to produce the electricity generating capacity it needs in order to meet its populations demand. This is according the International Energy Agency.

4. Iran has spent more in terms of capital on Hydro Electrical sources. Does that sound like the behaviour of a country which is hellbent on getting nuclear weapons? Or does it strike you Iran is worried about there energy needs.

In short Irans energy needs are perhaps the most worrying thing in the future in Iran. It is clear Iran will face a crisis in a few years. Energy diversification isnt something new it was first thought up during the Shahs regime in the 1970s and was actually welcomed by the state dept. in the US the same people who now condemn Iran.

I disagree that Iran has the right to pursue nuclear weapons for 2 reasons. 1. NPT (which Iran mayopt out of if it is continually threatened) 2. Islamic Law (which Iran cannot opt out of unless Bush manages a secular revolution God Forbid).

If you have ever read a persian newspaper you will see many criticisms of Ahmadinejads policies. E.g. I have personally seen criticisms of him and the Iranian system of Government in Baztab https://en.baztab.com/

True personal attacks or defamation are against the law no matter who you are. Big influential clerics have been jailed for saying inflammatory remarks for example against sunni muslims (even though Iran is a Shia government).

Regarding the incident of student hecklers at an Ahmadinejad speech. They were definately protesting against Ahmadinejad. The video of that speech is available on youtube. They were most certainly in the minority at most perhaps 20 of them in a crowd of hundreds which was strongly pro-Ahmadinejad. Nothing was done to them. But the western media went crazy somehow concluding there was a popular uprising going on. I dont think anyone tried to interpret it as a cry against western leaders. This shows the danger in believing what western media has to say about Iran.

Rather off topic, but... It worries me how some people are ready to support a war against a country which they know very little about. This isnt a matter of simply agreeing to disagree. Iran is threatened with war. It is imperative for everyone to be as informed as possible.

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First of all, I would like to mention that Religion is NOT part of this Board and mention the religious terms only to apply a point.

To me the equation is simple:

Ayatollah = Muslim, Religious leader, issues dictates based on theology

Ahmadinejad = Muslim, Religious instigator / enforcer, issues dictates based on a theologian

Ayatollah + Ahmadinejad = Theocracy / Dictatorship

You can to go on technicalities, wording or simply blindness... it does not change what Iran's foundation is built on and how it is run.

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karbala:

You know what? I think you are right. Iran is not run by Ahmadinejad as a religious dictator per se but by another religious fanatic such as the Ayatollah. I feel it for the people in Iran: Men cannot have "western" hair cuts anymore, they cannot pluck their eyebrows, women are arrested for not following Iran's dress code, they are not allowed to sing or dance in front of a male audience, wear the kind of clothes they want to wear, face honor killings, women's right activists end up in jail, even rape victims are condemned to death, and the list goes on...

Based on all these facts we may argue if Ahmadinejad is considered a Religious Dictator or not, nevertheless the evidence that Iran is run by what their leaders seem to believe are Islamic interpretations makes the whole affair very creepy. NO President, NO leader or head of Government should have the right to tell its citizens what they should wear, and how they should keep their personal grooming. Yet again, what Iran responds? "It's the Western influence". They just don't get it.

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Is Iran getting ready for war? If not, what would be the reason for such a move?

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Could it be some type of connection between what is going on in Venezuela and the US with regards to oil? We know Venezuela and Iran are very good buddies and Chavez was there not very long ago.