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[quote]You are both very nice people, and I know your intentions are honorable, so I'm not going to start an argument over this. [/quote]
:spock: Ummm... ok?

Here are some new things to think about:

- It seems like Syria is helping the Iraqi Military with supplies
- I am suprised Iraq has not tried to take shots at Israel
- If the coalition really does not want to harm civilians, then how can they possibly fight for Baghdad if there is a mix of civilians with military?
- It seems like Iran is trying to 'get even' with Iraq, but the US has warned them that they will see that as aggression? Hmmm... 'we don't want your help Iran?'

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Thanks for the compliment Stranger. But I would really would like to understand how Americans feel and think about it. It seems to me they don't make a big deal about it but it seems a big deal to me!

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:spock: Ummm... ok?

Here are some new things to think about:

- It seems like Syria is helping the Iraqi Military with supplies
- I am suprised Iraq has not tried to take shots at Israel
- If the coalition really does not want to harm civilians, then how can they possibly fight for Baghdad if there is a mix of civilians with military?
- It seems like Iran is trying to 'get even' with Iraq, but the US has warned them that they will see that as aggression? Hmmm... 'we don't want your help Iran?'[/quote]

Syria is no surprise. Neither was the French and the Russians.
Iraq cannot fire at Israel. Coalition forces hold the west. They can't get Scuds close enough.

Iran is our enemy also. I have believed from the beginning of all this that one of the unstated agendas was to occupy Iraq to have trooops close enough to go after Iran.

However the political unrest in Iran may change all that. If they can get rid of the Mullahs and open up their society, there will be no need.

The coalition soldiers DO NOT want to hit civilians. To suggest otherwise, JB, is both an insult and speaks of a complete lack of observation of the events on your part.

The fact that the Iraqi forces are making civilians walk in front of them when they strike shows everyone that those young men do not want to shoot at innocent people. They take fire every day that they cannot return for that very reason.

Civilians WILL be hit. Everyone knows that. Soldiers will die. We know that. There will be a heavy toll taken to get rid of that psychopath. I know of no other way to do it. Do you have any suggestions?

LDS,
I am not certain what you were asking.
Were you asking we don't make a big deal about the "Bush International" remark or about the war itself?

Obviously I can only speak for myself. The opinions are as varied as there are people. But to generalize,

The airport remark is nothing to get upset over. It was merely young kids making a crack, a joke. I don't feel like we have to tiptoe over the delicate sensibilities of anyone. In this country we make harsh jokes about our leaders all the time. If someone somewhere takes offense, misunderstands, that is unfortunate. But it doesn't suggest to me that we should mentally censor every remark we make.

If you were referring to the war in general, we take it very seriously. It IS a big deal. It's our kids that will die over there, MY sons, thank you both very much. I have two of them. And for all I know I may be deployed over there.

But we Americans don't sit around wringing our hands and moaning about it. When it comes time to fight, we fight and get it over with. That's the way we are.

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[quote]Iraq cannot fire at Israel. Coalition forces hold the west. They can't get Scuds close enough. [/quote]
All they have is scuds? Stranger you cannot be so narrow in perceiving that the only assets they have to affect another country is scuds.

[quote]The coalition soldiers DO NOT want to hit civilians. To suggest otherwise, JB, is both an insult and speaks of a complete lack of observation of the events on your part.
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Stranger relax yourself. Read my question well and then return with a proper answer. Your current insinuation is not even worth a reply.

Update: missile hits Kuwaite - I wonder how that got passed the defense system since there were no warnings.

Today I went to see 'Tears of the Sun'. It reminded me a lot of the war in Iraq, it brought tears to my eyes.

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Is a chemical attack looming?

From CNN:

The looming question in this war is whether Iraq will deploy biochemical
weapons against coalition forces.  Such weapons were at the core of every
pre-war debate on Iraq, and it is indisputable that Saddam Hussein has
used chemical weapons in the past.  Whether he still possesses them is
only slightly murky--U.S. military planners simply assume that he does.
And that is a frightening prospect for soldiers in the field.

Today, Ted Koppel witnessed that fear firsthand from his position with the
Army's Third Infantry Division in Iraq.  U.S. planes had bombed some fuel
or chemical tanks six miles upwind of the Third, producing billows of
black smoke.  No one could be sure what was in the tanks, so the alarm
went off: don your chemical suits, boots and masks.  Ted chronicles the
controlled chaos of that moment and the clear evidence of solid training
as the soldiers suited up, then went about doing their jobs.  It turned
out to be a false alarm--this time.

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Stranger, you didn't answer JB's original question:

"If the coalition really does not want to harm civilians, then how can they possibly fight for Baghdad if there is a mix of civilians with military?"

[quote]The fact that the Iraqi forces are making civilians walk in front of them when they strike shows everyone that those young men do not want to shoot at innocent people. They take fire every day that they cannot return for that very reason. [/quote]

You say 'the fact' but you don't know this as a fact. Let's remember that we always hear one side of the story. But of course, I do understand that you will believe what your folks say, that's obvious. But like in anything else there is the other side of the story that very few people may know or care to know about it.
Everytime I see those iraqi children on TV it breaks my heart. It seems like I see my son in each one of them. Just to see how they were fighting to get some food and water and see their faces desperate for food it made me so angry and hateful for this war that is not going to do anything good but to bring more pain and suffering to this people. No wonder so many died already, their houses are so old that any explosion made the whole houses fall off...
I deeply feel sorry for this people, my heart and prayers go with them at this time of war.

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To answer te question,
Not wanting to hurt civilians does not mean that it will not happen.
What you are suggesting is that, in order to do that, we simply lay down our arms and walk away. I'm sure your grandfathers and grandmothers would have really appreciated that attitude when Hitler had his iron heel on them.

Our guys try very hard to keep that from happening, including taking fire without returning it in many cases.

As for your other comment, it is you LDS, who are uninformed. I not only have seen pictures of those tactics, I have witnessed them first hand.

I think that I and a lot of other GIs will always have a guilty conscience about Iraq. We did not depose Saddam in '91, when we had the chance, because Bush Sr. bowed to the will of voices like yours. Since then he has killed roughly half a million of his own people. That's a hard thing for me to think about.

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[quote]What you are suggesting is that, in order to do that, we simply lay down our arms and walk away. I'm sure your grandfathers and grandmothers would have really appreciated that attitude when Hitler had his iron heel on them. [/quote]
What I am suggesting? I am not suggesting anything, you try to read too much from my posts and end up in the back end. The reason the question was asked was based on a news report about how the coalition would attack the main city without hurting civilans. The report concluded that it would almost be impossible to not see civilans hurt since the army of Saddam hides among them in an unconvential style of warfare. Understand now bud? Stop getting all cranky.

People... the insanity has begun...

From CNN:

-- Five U.S. soldiers killed by suicide bomber near Najaf, Iraq, about 95 miles south of
Baghdad, U.S. military says.