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I have lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for a total of more than 13 years stretching back to 1982. Everyone in the area knows and understands and apparently accepts the fact that Saddam Hussein and both his sons are clinically insane. He's a thug who wields power through terror among his own people.  He's paranoid of threats to his regime.

Well, it seems like you have more experience on this matter than I do nevertheless,  I will share my opinion about it.
Now, if Saddam and his family are so insane as you describe that the people of Iraq think of him why they don't do nothing about it?. I mean, they don't look afraid to me and if it's true that they're afraid, why they're waiting for so long to do something about it?. I strongly feel that this is an issue that the Iraqies need to resolve by THEMSELVES. And that's what I don't agree with the United States, they go to a country and they want to change it all just because they don't agree with their policies...and I think that's so wrong. Let me put it this way, the United States sometimes acts like if for real they're 'Captain America' where they have to defend the world from evil and corruption. But nobody asks them to invade a country for that purpose!. I mean, let's be honest, the only reason the United States bombed Afghanistan for instance was because of the 9/11 NOT because of the world's peace speech in but because of the terrible tragedy of 9/11. ONLY when their interests were 'touch' then the reaction came because listen everybody knew  the Taliban was there from 1996! and the USA didn't do anything to help the people there because it was not affecting them directly. I don't want to sound mean but it bothers me a lot that everything that the USA does comes with as a speech that they do it for the 'world' my country and the country I am living in right now didn't ask for all this! and I'm sure lots of people feel the same way I do, we didn't ask for anything so why then just don't say they're doing it because of THEIR INTEREST???.
I don't know if you can fully understand my point of view, hope you do.

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I hoped the Elder Bush would have taken him out of power during the 1st Gulf War but it wasn't politically feasible. Bush Jr. is now setting out to do what his father should have done in 1990-91 -take his family out of power.

*hehehe* Elder Bush...hmmmm I didn't know he was a member of the Quorum of the Seventy, actually I didn't even know he was a LDS member
Now *seriously* you say that Bush is setting out to do what his father should done on the 90's. But listen, with what right Pres. Bush or any other president can enter or demand to a country to change their President??? What is wrong with them, the pretzel that he almost choke with sometime ago went to his brain?. That drives me nuts!.

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I'm all for the war and I pray Saddam doesn't do what I have just described but I'm sorry to say it might happen.

I'm NOT in any side but one thing I know for sure. I'm NOT for any kind of war or violence, this will not solve ANYTHING but it will just bring deaths, sorrow and pain.
I'm glad that the United Nations so far has not accepted the idea of a war agaisnt Iraq, even with all the evidence that Powell presented yesterday.  But as Pres. Bush said in the past with or without the UN they're going to attack Iraq....I'm wonder where all that speech of obedience to the resolutions of the UN are now??? because if they accuse Iraq of not fulfilling the UN resolutions about their weapons of mass destructions why they want to go to war with Iraq even with the UN against it??? isn't that paradojic?

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Most people in Iraq are very busy just 'surviving' Saddam's regime.  As a result, they can't overthrow him.  In Iraq, the walls have mice and the mice have ears.  One must be very aware of what one says to whom - even one's own family - about Saddam Hussain or any of his family members. A good Iraqi friend of mine and his family have been waiting in practical self-exile in Saudi Arabia since Saddam and the Baath Party came to power. He cannot go back because he knows he and his family will be either killed or incarcerated because he as a 'Western-educated' Professor represents a threat to Saddam's regime.  The Baath Party representatives who have a vested interest in maintaining the regime are who we see on TV and the media - not the Local man on the street.  Believe it or not, Saddam has complete and absolute control over every aspect of Iraq - from Newspapers, radio, tv, and of course computers are prohibited - as are typewriters in some places. Travel is restricted.
Saddam does this through his extensive network of family, sycophantic friends, and a highly trained Republican Guard that he rotates in and out of his presence so that no one can infiltrate his inner circle long enough to get ideas of assasination.  He has even forced people who resemble him to get plastic surgery so that they become exact doubles of him.  This guy will go to any lengths to stay in power.  The simple fact is that the Iraqis are helpless to overthrow Saddam.  Saddam keeps his people half-starved and desperate for work that pays enough to sustain their families.  As in most dictatorial countries, Saddam arranges jobs and food for who he will.  Connections to the proper Baath authorities can make or break a person.  International aid does not get to the needy but rather to the coffers and storehouses of Baath Party Members.  The Baath party is evil and conniving and wield tremendous power of life or death.  
Saddam is perceived as a strongman who survived the tough streets of Baghdad to become the unwavering leader of Iraq and who has built up its war machine at the expense of everyday people.  I can't think of a single good thing he has done except to keep all the competing factions vying for power in check for so many years.  The US has for years been trying to foment groups of revolutionaries to overthrow Saddam and the Baath Party through the CIA etc and has been totally unsuccessful in doing that. Saddam has thwarted every attempt.
The USA stands at the top of world economies and it sees a threat to that economy.  The whole war is based on oil-economics and not necessarily for the Iraqi people.

The same situation (Baath Party and Taliban) described above existed in Afghanistan too. I served for two years there as a US Peace Corps Volunteer and was there when the Russians staged a coup d'etat to oust Mohammed Daoud in April, 1978. The Taliban started out with good intentions and let their religion become a weapon of suppression.  Islam means submission to God's will and not submit people to the Taliban's radical interpretation of Islam.  Muslims are peace-loving brothers that I closely relate to.  There are radical elements however that give all Muslims a bad name.  
Anyway, it's about time to take Saddam and his family and the Baath Party out of power.  I don't think it will be so easy though.  
It's natural to be afraid of war because we all know the terrible consequences of it.  It's a measure of last resort and the US has been quite tolerant in my opinion of what's been going on in Iraq and yes, perhaps the US should just forget the injustice and suffering in the world and mind it's own business. Would't that be wonderful if we could do that!  With power however comes great responsibility.  The US is being more responsible than Saddam Hussain has been.  The US is not a Hitler who says one thing out of one corner of his mouth and who says and does the opposite out of the other side of his mouth. For all its bad reputation and perhaps naiivete, the US is trying its best to do what's right.

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Well at least that is one good thing... :

From Deseret News;

TURN TO PRAYER, BUSH URGES
President Bush on Thursday urged Americans to pray for God's guidance as the
Columbia tragedy, potential war in Iraq and the constant threat of terrorism
pose "a testing time for our country."
https://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1%2C1249%2C...29966%2C00.html

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Nephiproject, thanks for all the explanation about Saddam. Great information. Just let me clarify to everybody that I don't defend Saddam in any way, I think he's an evil man who has made his people suffer so much, I think everybody knows that. What I don't agree  it's the USA position in all this. The hypocresy, it makes me really mad when I hear the speech of 'defending the world from evil, etc etc etc'....because like I said before the world didn't ask for the USA help and most of the time when the US interfer it brings more trouble than peace. War is never the solution for anything and I personally think that the United States should know better than that after the tragedy and lost of the Vietnam War. But it seems like not and then again, sometimes people have to learn lessons in the hard way. I just feel so sorry for all the people who will die in this war...
I do understand your point of view though as an American. Although is quiet different from an Argentinian point of view.

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Hmmm... not even the allies believe it?

The US is looking more and more independent on this one, and the UK just looks like they are following along.

What kind of proof do you think the world needs before an actual war takes place?

From Deseret News:

AMERICA WARNS ALLIES IN EUROPE
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld issued uncompromising challenges to both
the United Nations and NATO over Iraq on Saturday, warning that the global body
risked ridicule and discredit and cautioning three of America's European
partners that delaying plans to defend Turkey weakened the Atlantic alliance.
https://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1%2C1249%2C...30575%2C00.html

I believe many see the US as acting on emotion because of Sept 11th and that is why they are against war.

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Do you think Saddam could really have a change of heart or is he just stalling for time?

From Deseret News:

SADDAM BANS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
Saddam Hussein banned all weapons of mass destruction from Iraq on Friday,
meeting a longtime U.N. demand hours before chief U.N. weapons inspectors
delivered crucial reports on Iraqi disarmament.
https://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1%2C1249%2C...31680%2C00.html

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A world against war... which side are you on and why?

Do you want war or peace?

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I'm not in any side, I am ALL for world peace. Meaning, NO WAR! NO VIOLENCE! PEACE FOR EVERYBODY!