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Badbyrd! Dude relax man just go with the flow. Wait for the story to update and then you can like take it from there with your ideas.

Introduction BadByrd

Well lionell, to be honest the Gm wasn't generous, the Gm was pissed beyond belief, but he didn't have a choice. He broke out the book and made me save on everything from fear to whether I dropped the bag wrong and it ate my hand. I just happen to make every savings throw he could put me up against, and in the end rolled a natural 20 for damage. Not much the GM could after that and still follow the rules of the game.

Sometimes the dice hate, you. Sometimes they love you. Thats just how it works. And as to the generous GM, what kind of generous GM puts a level 3 ranger up against a Tarrasque? I was talking nonsense so he decided he was going to kill my character. I just got lucky.

It's not game breaking because I had to make all those throws.

All that being said. I really don't see what everyone is freaking out about. You guys have a party of eight already. The past couple of days have shown me that this style of play is what I was expecting, I only enjoy D&D because crazy nonsense like the Tarrasque thing happens sometimes. You guys are too cautious for my taste, it's nothing personal. I would just rather play a more fast paced game. With my style of play, unless everyone is going along with it I'm jsut going to end up getting some killed. Thats no fun for anyone. Calm down guys. Your all good people. Just not my kind of players.

BadByrd Introduction Sharing Member & Introductions

Well, that is too bad but at least you and we tried. You might check back and see sometime, I'm thinking about running maybe a more action-oriented type game with a simple system, if enough people are interested. I think I'll still run most of the games I GM as individual PC posts.

Like I said, I've ran and played forum RPGs before, but I have never played in this Party Leader format before, but got elected to be the PL, and though it takes some getting used to, it isn't too bad, and I think I'm doing ok at it, and it works a little better than I expected it to, from what I'd read about it elsewhere over the years.

I agree forum games are probably the most hurt by the thing that makes them convenient - they're not live. On the good side, it lets people from different countries or with different schedules all get in near the same time to make their posts, without having to rearranging their IRL schedules, and think through their actions, etc. The bad side is the delay or "lag", of posting actions or turns, and especially if dice rolls are also needed, the GM has to post that rolls are needed, then the players have to post the rolls and actions, then the GM to respond to those, etc.

I honestly continue to be confused about how people can run PbP or e-mail games using anything CLOSE to the actual rules of a system (such as D&D), given the sheer amount of stats and figuring and fiddly bits that require making checks against this and that, dozens of attributes, things players can choose and try on-the-spot, info required for the GM to relay, then for the player to read and understand, then to be able to ask for specific info for something like a Perception check, then to announce his action, then for the GM to post required rolls, then player to post those, then the GM to respond, etc.


BadByrd, I do want to say a few parting things to you, from my own vantage and experiences in playing and running games, tabletop and forum.

First, I have to give you credit with the bag of devouring covered arrow, and the natural 20 hit roll. While I can't say I'd have made the exact same call about it totally (automatically?) destroying the creature (there are a lot of options a GM could choose from), I can see the one he chose as being "reasonable", objectively (long as the Terr. Got Saves), so, though I bristle at the idea of ANYONE (let alone a Level 3 Ranger) being able to destroy "a" Tarrasque, first off, it was the DM's fault, as he made that scenario possible and put you up against it, which, if used as a deterrent, can be an effective image to help develop the world or situation, but in your case was, as you say, just him trying to kill you - GM's that can't keep from constantly metagaming, the separation between game/character and real life/player, are a problem.

That said, I don't know the extent of your familiarity with RPGs in general, but from my own experiences, and from other friends, and reading on a number of sites, including [..] (which I highly recommend as a resource for talking about RPGs in general), in my perspective, unless you're playing a game specifically designed, usually comedically, as such, a game's GM is still the final arbiter, director and controller of a game - your average GM doesn't "give in" if he's tried all he can or you've made all the rolls, and just let something happen that, as noted, could be a "gamebreaker", or even something that would bag a character far too much experience or money or otherwise unbalance things - the dice never have the final say for most GM's - dice are a tool to be used to help mediate and distribute things, either randomly or fairly, whether it's damage or a random item table - the GM still sometimes discards or fudges any rolls or results he feels necessary, if things come up that would detract from the game or interfere with the scenario, or be either too much or too little of an advantage - especially made easier if rolling behind the GM screen.

But in any fashion, to me, the basic premise (borrowed from that forum mentioned above) of any sort of entertainment, be it RPGs or whatever, is "No gaming is better than bad gaming", so as long as people are having fun, however they're playing, then that's what's important, and I guess sometimes some peoples' styles or preferences do clash some, though I often find it a good experience to try the different new methods or styles or rules, just so I can get a broader view of different aspects of gaming, for different people - but some (such as most D&D), I'm already quite familiar with, and tend to dismiss it completely out of hand because I have verified that I have been involved in all or a large majority of the different variations or styles of play for that game, and remain displeased or even repelled, so it is a matter of knowing what is right for onself.

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Badbryd do you play tabletop or online DnD?

Can you share another experience like the ranger 3 killing a tarrasque? I would enjoy the story.

I had a similar experience the first time I played DnD 2nd edition - I was playing a fighter much like the one I'm playing now. My first encounter was a red hatchling dragon. It had killed several merchant dwarves. The survivors burst into the bar I was in for help.

I charged two-handed sword in hand, knowing the numbers, figuring I was dead, and severed the dragons head in one blow (Due to perfect rolls).

One other time I remember fighting a Young Black Dragon my friend (a lvl 1 Ranger) was down to his last arrow and fired. Doing a critical and having the finishing blow, which the dragon was about to use its breath weapon.

He called that his last arrow was a black arrow. (reference to Dragonlance).

If anyone has such stories I would like to hear actuay.

Edited: Oliron on 30th Dec, 2009 - 9:47am

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call me Thomas out of game please.
I apologize, I did not realize the GM was doing it in spit, and had made you make so many throws to beat it. But really, I want how much did you experience gain.

Also taking risks is fun, but don't you think that this fun would be ruined if you character died and you were forced to make a new one? I cannot speak for the others, but I have put a lot of work into my character and I would hate to have Lionel killed, because of an excessively dangerous scenario. You idea had been a good one, all I ask is tone it down to 50 orcs at most (which is still a lot), so if the spell fails, we would be more likely to live though it, I am trying to be practical, the group had difficulty with just a few orcs.
To be honest I would be fine with have a more action packed game, and I also could post more often than I have, the game is slow but I have worked with it, I mean people are playing all over the world, you need to understand that, I have and I"m very impatient.

Edited: Thomaslee on 30th Dec, 2009 - 2:28pm

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Let me add something here for you to think about. Yes I had to wait for a bit to get you in the game. I had to find a spot for you to come in otherwise it would not be part of the game to have you just materialize out of thin air. I am a pretty good GM/DM as I have been both a player and a DM for a long time. I am very interested in free thinkers who can think of a interesting way to deal with their foes. IF you come up with some off the wall way to help your party then I am all for it. I think the black hole idea to deal with a truly horrible monster was great. like the time I helped a party take out very large red dragon with a wall of ice and a knock spell. Keep up the spirit and I hope you give the game more of a chance. Either way I will see you in the solo play.

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BadByrd if it's not too much trouble could you give some ideas of your own to help me with a character design idea the GM and are I are working on for Lionel, it starts here Source 8 and ends in the new Character Development Thread (please post in this thread). If you have anything you can add please do.

Edited: Thomaslee on 6th Jan, 2010 - 11:18pm

BadByrd Introduction Introductions & Member Sharing - Page 3

I have been monitoring this User. He seems very self serving and is grossly unhappy when things do not go his way. From the beginning I've seen him make Posts with very unkind remarks and then try to edit it out (possibly after thinking about how it sounded) but he did not know we are faster than that here. Today he crossed the line - no one is above the site. Mature professional ADULTS are taking the time to FREELY provide a service for you. If you cannot be happy here with the way someone GMs a game then go somewhere else with your bologna.