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You said it bro, it wasn't preaching but it was to "strengthen" in certain areas of course staying in nice hotels and being drive everywhere now before you say something about it I am merely pointing out these differences with the purpose of stating the living conditions of Jesus and His apostles at the time he was on Earth and the way our GA live nowdays you know what am I saying? Jesus had the chance to have it all yet he was born and lived in the most humble of the circumstances....BY CHOICE. We can't say the same thing of our present GA.

You don't see a difference between how Christ lived and how our present GA live? Wow.

Edited: SuzieSu on 1st Feb, 2010 - 5:13pm

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The point I was trying to make is the difference aren't as big as you were explaining. If anything the differences had to do with the Size of the church. Which I guess is what the original post was trying to make in the first place.

Meaning the size of the church dictates how its going to run. For me I don't really see these as differences, but as growing or adaptation to the situation. I mean I can compare how my ward changes every 10 years?

More I was pointing out that in some cases the divide isn't as much as Oldsouth lead it to believe.

Persecution is my mind is trying to put down the other person (name calling). This is what is happening in some forms. Mostly that either such and such isn't apostles inspired of God (persecution against there calling) or that the church isn't Christian because it doesn't allow Gay marriage. This is more then just voicing an opinion, and would be persecution.

I can't say I know of any circumstance where an apostle started preaching a new doctrine BEFORE the Prophet?

The words might be different, but I don't see this being any different then some apostle or Seventy Visiting my stake and given some message. He might not say Thus Sayeth the Lord, but that's was more terminology in the early church.
Again I"m just arguing it's not that big of difference.

It hard to fully label all 12 apostles. Are they will educate yes! Does that always mean they were in some high paying Job, no. Each went a different path, some did make money, some I don't feel was "high paying." I don't see the "vase majority" fitting.

Compared to the early apostles Yes 3-4 of them there fishermen, but one was a tax collector. Judas did something with Money (maybe a banker) others we don't even know what they were. So I don't know if career wise we can make any fair comparison when we don't even know what all the original 12 did.

Not sure which one you are referring to with this one.

Maybe, but I feel you are taking things to the extreme (I guess to make a point), I don't feel the gap is as big as you expressed.

We are talking about size of the church. if Christ (or Joseph Smith) lived now with the size of the church, You think they would still be walking from place to place? And not even get on an Airplane?

Edited: tubaloth on 1st Feb, 2010 - 5:19pm

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Definitely in your mind! You have the example of JS and the early pioneers moving from state to state, death threats, failed murder attempts and even DEATH and you call name calling and nasty disagreement as persecution? I mean come on more respect you know what am I saying? Thats the kind of difference OldSouth he is referring to. Now if you're telling me the early apostles and the nowdays apostles are going through similar "persecution" after reading the History of the Church then you're in denial or havent read enough.

Maybe OldSouth will bring the quote of JS who states the words should be used. Not a terminology.

How many of the Apostles or in any other GA are construction workers, carpenters, electricians..plumbers! How MANY?

Sure but probably NOT first class or their own private jet.

Edited: SuzieSu on 1st Feb, 2010 - 5:27pm

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the 7 is referring to your 7th comment, which is this one:

About the "Thus Sayeth the LORD" issue, yes, I did some digging Here we go:

also in Support:

I don't know about you, but to me this sounds like "thus saith the Lord" is a pretty big deal. As one can imagine actually. What does it mean to say "thus saith the Lord"? It means that the Lord God of Heaven, very literally and very real spoke to the person relating the words of the most High, literally and verbally conferring His Will in regards to the Saints. I would say there is a fundamental difference between "I talked with the Father in Heaven and He told me that so-and-so" or "I was taken up in a vision by the Lord a week ago where He showed me His will" and "When reading these scriptures last night I had this feeling that I should share this with you today."

Interesting in regards to this change:

This revelation by the way was given as "thus saith the Lord" and received by Wilford Woodruff, who at that time was still an Apostle.

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That's an interesting quote Oldsouth but it says it can come by commandment and then the "or" which means that the actual words "Thus saith the Lord..." doesn't have to be used.