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QUOTE (JaGa @ 11-Feb 10, 6:18 PM) As to t.v. Shows like 'The Price is Right' and 'Deal or No Deal' they too are forms of gambling.
How and where is your source for it? Or is it just your opinion?
QUOTE and is offensive to the Spirit.
Offensive to the Spirit? Wow thats a pretty strong statement. Mind to say how?
QUOTE 'Can you picture God doing this in heaven?' Do you people really think that God is in heaven playing 'Deal or No Deal'? Or that he sits in front of a t.v. And guesses prices while watching the 'Price is Right'?
I don't imagine G-d in a white shirt or ties, yet we're expected to wear them you know what am I am saying? I don't imagine G-d in a hundred meetings planning a next meeting, I don't imagine G-d seeing activities more important than H/VT yet thats what we see in today's church so I don't get your point at all. I don't imagine G-d watching TV or enjoying a football game and if I have to ask I'm pretty sure you (and anyone else) does so really I don't think you have a point there.
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SuzieSu,
I've already given this source, but here it is again. I don't mean to answer for JaGa, but the answer is already here.
QUOTE President Joseph F. Smith counseled "No kind of chance game,guessing contest,
or raffiing device,can be approved in any entertainment ...
or raffiing device,can be approved in any entertainment ...
The "Price is Right" and " Deal or no Deal" are guessing contest, aren't they?
QUOTE (SuzieSu said)Offensive to the Spirit? Wow thats a pretty strong statement. Mind to say how?
Again, this is how:
QUOTE ( From Mormon Doctrine p. 302)Gambling is in opposition to the divine will; it is a wicked, evil
practice...
practice...
I'm sure you can see that wicked, evil practices are offensive to the spirit.
Mark1616
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There are two thoughts here, one of which I will only MENTION as there are specific Threads for it:
1. We must be aware of what is being quoted as official Church policy and what is merely opinion. For instance the book Mormon Doctrine has been discredited as being merely the author's opinion on a lot of things. I mention this because some of the questions here are asking if it is offical Church policy, therefore you will need to use an official source. There are Threads here for that as I mentioned, like this:
* Journal of Discourses: Source 8
* What is Official LDS Doctrine: Source 2
* The Prophet Said So... (Mature)
2. Next, this seems to be either a controversial or misunderstood subject, look at these similar Threads and feel free to give your input there too, as there seem to be many out there not sure about it:
* Playing poker with LDS Source 9
* Return Tithing money Source 2
* Coke Stock Source 5
* If I won the lotto Source 7
* LDS position on Gambling Source 6
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QUOTE (JB said)the book Mormon Doctrine has been discredited as being merely the author's opinion on a lot of things.
I agree with this. I expected someone else to make this point, trying to rationalize their views, but since it's here I'll go ahead and give my perspective.
I used used Mormon Doctrine as a reference, because it makes clear statements.
It also give its sources. For example a lot of what is quoted comes From Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed. We have quotes Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and Joseph F. Smith. So we have testimony from three or more witnesses (Either 5:4) on the subject. All of which are GAs.
So here is another source.
QUOTE (Dallin H. Oaks @ "The Evils of Gambling," Ensign, Nov 1972, 42)In its simplest form gambling is the act of risking something of value on the outcome of a game or event that may be determined in part or entirely by chance. The attitude of the Church toward gambling is clearly set forth in the following statement by President Heber J. Grant and his counselors in the First Presidency on September 21, 1925:
"The Church has been and now is unalterably opposed to gambling in any form whatever. It is opposed to any game of chance, occupation, or so-called business, which takes money from the person who may be possessed of it without giving value received in return. It is opposed to all practices the tendency of which is to encourage the spirit of reckless speculation, and particularly to that which tends to degrade or weaken the high moral standard which members of the Church, and our community at large, have always maintained.
"We therefore advise and urge all members of the Church to refrain from participation in any activity which is contrary to the view herein set forth.
There can be no question that gambling dulls the spiritual sensitivities of those who participate in it. In that terrible effect we may identify gambling's most far-reaching and evil influence. Elder John A. Widtsoe of the Council of the Twelve (1872-1952) gave vivid expression to this thought:
"They who gamble, who walk with chance, suffer degeneration of character; they become spiritually flabby; they end as enemies of a wholesome society. A gambling den, however beautifully housed, is the ugliest place on earth. The tense participants live in a silence broken only, over the tables, by the swish of the wings of darkness. There is an ever-present brooding spirit of horror of an unknown evil. It is the devil's own home." 10
What I have said about gambling should be understood to include playing cards for money, betting on horses and athletic contests (including office pools on the world series), casino gambling in all its forms, lotteries, raffles, bingo for money, and dice.
"The Church has been and now is unalterably opposed to gambling in any form whatever. It is opposed to any game of chance, occupation, or so-called business, which takes money from the person who may be possessed of it without giving value received in return. It is opposed to all practices the tendency of which is to encourage the spirit of reckless speculation, and particularly to that which tends to degrade or weaken the high moral standard which members of the Church, and our community at large, have always maintained.
"We therefore advise and urge all members of the Church to refrain from participation in any activity which is contrary to the view herein set forth.
There can be no question that gambling dulls the spiritual sensitivities of those who participate in it. In that terrible effect we may identify gambling's most far-reaching and evil influence. Elder John A. Widtsoe of the Council of the Twelve (1872-1952) gave vivid expression to this thought:
"They who gamble, who walk with chance, suffer degeneration of character; they become spiritually flabby; they end as enemies of a wholesome society. A gambling den, however beautifully housed, is the ugliest place on earth. The tense participants live in a silence broken only, over the tables, by the swish of the wings of darkness. There is an ever-present brooding spirit of horror of an unknown evil. It is the devil's own home." 10
What I have said about gambling should be understood to include playing cards for money, betting on horses and athletic contests (including office pools on the world series), casino gambling in all its forms, lotteries, raffles, bingo for money, and dice.
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QUOTE (Mark1616 @ 11-Feb 10, 9:39 PM) I used used Mormon Doctrine as a reference, because it makes clear statements.
It also give its sources. For example a lot of what is quoted comes From Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed. We have quotes Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and Joseph F. Smith. So we have testimony from three or more witnesses (Either 5:4) on the subject. All of which are GAs.
It also give its sources. For example a lot of what is quoted comes From Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed. We have quotes Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and Joseph F. Smith. So we have testimony from three or more witnesses (Either 5:4) on the subject. All of which are GAs.
First of all mormon doctrine should be banned as far as I'm concerned because the church didn't want Bruce R. Mc Conkie to publish it yet he did it anyways and put him in an odd position that the church ended up discrediting the book....don't let me start with the opinion of Mc Conkie with regards of a whole lot of sensitive issues there where he really mess up you know what am I saying? So this shouldn't be a source as far as I'm concerned.
Now with regards to the words of Elder Oaks where does it say that game shows like The Price is Right are wrong, let me quote from your quote:
QUOTE "The Church has been and now is unalterably opposed to gambling in any form whatever. It is opposed to any game of chance, occupation, or so-called business, which takes money from the person who may be possessed of it without giving value received in return.
You don't have to pay to go to this show or Deal or No Deal or so many others out there so I don't see how that quote applies to my question you know what I am saying? I am against gambling but my point with these tv games is that you're not risking money.
Edited: SuzieSu on 11th Feb, 2010 - 10:06pmI'm Mormon And I Bought A Lottery Ticket
QUOTE (SuzieSu said)my point with these tv games is that you're not risking money.
OK, I'll concede, that this is at best, a gray area. If it is not actually gambling, then can we agree, that it resembles gambling?
QUOTE a whole lot of sensitive issues there where he really mess up you know what am I saying?
Rather off topic, but...
Yes, I know what you're saying. There are a lot of things in Mormon Doctrine that are (in my opinion) out and out wrong. I tend to use it more as a cross reference, than as an actual source. In other words I check his sources, since he's already done the work of putting them together. When enough credible sources say the same thing, then I tend to agree, and I use it as a source. I don't think it should be banned, I think it should be read like the Apocrypha.There is lots of useful information there, if you can discern it.
Yes, I know what you're saying. There are a lot of things in Mormon Doctrine that are (in my opinion) out and out wrong. I tend to use it more as a cross reference, than as an actual source. In other words I check his sources, since he's already done the work of putting them together. When enough credible sources say the same thing, then I tend to agree, and I use it as a source. I don't think it should be banned, I think it should be read like the Apocrypha.There is lots of useful information there, if you can discern it.
Mark1616
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