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O.K. "Don't Ask", I'll try to clear it up for you. And, please don't get me wrong, I'm not here to pass judgement on you. I've done things ,that I didn't realize were wrong until latter, and even after I knew I still struggled with some things.
So here it is. In your Temple recommend interview, you are asked if you're :
morally clean to enter into the holy temple. and if you're
honest in all of your dealings with others.
and last you are asked if you consider yourself worthy.
QUOTE (Spencer W. Kimball said)God condemns receiving gain from evil and idle pursuits. Elder Spencer W. Kimball said, "I feel strongly that men who accept wages or salary and do not give "¦ [fair] time, energy, devotion, and service are receiving money that is not clean." He also said that money obtained by evil or idle practices, such as theft, gambling (including lotteries), graft, illegal drugs, oppression of the poor, and the like is unclean money.
Elder Kimball defined the difference between honorable work and evil work: "Clean money is that [pay] received for a full day's honest work. It is that reasonable pay for faithful service. It is that fair profit from the sale of goods, commodities, or service. It is that income received from transactions where all parties profit. Filthy lucre is "¦ money "¦ obtained through theft and robbery, "¦ gambling, "¦ sinful operations, "¦ bribery, and from exploitation" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1953, p. 52).
Elder Kimball defined the difference between honorable work and evil work: "Clean money is that [pay] received for a full day's honest work. It is that reasonable pay for faithful service. It is that fair profit from the sale of goods, commodities, or service. It is that income received from transactions where all parties profit. Filthy lucre is "¦ money "¦ obtained through theft and robbery, "¦ gambling, "¦ sinful operations, "¦ bribery, and from exploitation" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1953, p. 52).
So, what I'm hearing from President Kimball, is that gambling (including lotteries)
is immoral and dishonest. The winnings are considered "filthy lucre". And, if the Church knew where your money came from, they would not except tithing from it.
I hope this helps.
Mark1616
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Post Date: 11th Feb, 2010 - 3:58am / Post ID: #
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Comments: Maybe I'm missing something here. How is me buying a legal lottery ticket for a couple of bucks being dishonest? People spend more on that on movies, stuffing themselves what who knows what else.
How do you feel about scout groups and charities that use raffles in order to raise money for a good cause?
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I have to say, I kind of wrestled with this one myself. I once thought it would nice, if I could give God the opportunity to bless me with the means to pay all my bills and feed my family, by me buying a lottery ticket. But, thats not how God sees it. In fact, it was kind of arrogant of me to think that way. If the church is true (and it is) then I have to get line with all of its teachings.
Here is what it says in Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce R. McConkie.
QUOTE GAMBLING
Gambling is the playing or gaming for money or other stakes with a view to getting
something for little or nothing; elements of luck and chance are
always present-all of which, when taken together, form a system
which is not of God.
Gambling is in opposition to the divine will; it is a wicked, evil
practice, destructive of the finer sensitivities of the soul. No
matter how cloaked or disguised, and no matter how professedly worthy
an accompanying money raising scheme may be, gambling is morally wrong,
and will be avoided by all who are saints in deed.
Clubs, civic organizations, fraternal groups, governments, and sometimes even some churches
sponsor, support, approve, or conduct various gambling enterprises, as part of their fundraising
programs. Such sponsorship has no sanctifying or transforming power.Gambling is gambling,
and is to be shunned no matter where it is found.
In every concern of life the element of chance is present, and this fact of itself does not
classify an enterprise as gambling. "The element of chance enters very largely into everything
we undertake", President Joseph F. Smith said, "and it should be remembered that the spirit in
which we do things decides very largely whether we are gambling or are entering into legitimate
business enterprise. ( Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed p. 326)
LOTTERIES
Lotteries are one of the most flagrant forms of gambling. Ordinarily they are organized enterprises
in which lots or chances are sold with prize winners being chosen by drawings. The fact that lotteries
are often sponsored by governments, social and civic organizations, and even some churches merely
shows how far these organizations have departed from true gospel standards.
RAFFLES
Raffles are a form of lottery and as such are gambling.
Ordinarily raffling practicescall for a number of persons to pay,
in shares, the valueor assumed value of something and then to
determine by chance which one shall have it.
President Joseph F. Smith counseled "No kind of chance game,guessing contest,
or raffiing device be approved in any entertainment under the auspices of our church organrzatrons.
"The desire to get something of value for little or nothing is pernicious; and any proceeding that strengthens
that desire is an effective aid to the gambling spirit, which has proved a veritable demon of destruction to thousands.
Risking a dime in the hope of winning a dollar in any game of chance is a species of gambling.
Let it not be thought that raffling articles of value, offering prizes to the winners in guessing contest,
the use of machines of chance, or any other device of the kind is to be allowed or excused because
the money so obtained is used for a good purpose. The church is not to be supported in degree by means obtained through gambling. . .
Presidentt Young once said to Sister Eliza R. Snow: "Tell the sisters not to raffle. If the mothers
raffle, the children will gamble.Raffiing is gambling" . . . Some say: 'What shall we do? We have quilts
on hand-we cannot sell them, and we need means to supply our treasury, which we can obtain by
raffiing for the benefit to the poor.' Rather let the quilts rot on the shelves than adopt the old adage,
'The end will sanctify the means.' As Latter-day Saints, we cannot afford to sacrifice moral principle
to financial gain." (Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed., p. 827.)
In answer to the query, "Is it proper to raffie property for the benefit of missionaries?" President
Smith said emphatically, No. Then he gave this suggestion with reference to a horse involved in a particular
case. "Let everybody give a dollar, and let the donors decide by vote to what worthy man, not of their number,
the horse shall be given. No chance about that- it is pure decision, and it helps the people who wish to buy chances solely for
the benefit of the missionary to discourage the gambling propensities of their natures."
(Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed., p. 826.)
Gambling is the playing or gaming for money or other stakes with a view to getting
something for little or nothing; elements of luck and chance are
always present-all of which, when taken together, form a system
which is not of God.
Gambling is in opposition to the divine will; it is a wicked, evil
practice, destructive of the finer sensitivities of the soul. No
matter how cloaked or disguised, and no matter how professedly worthy
an accompanying money raising scheme may be, gambling is morally wrong,
and will be avoided by all who are saints in deed.
Clubs, civic organizations, fraternal groups, governments, and sometimes even some churches
sponsor, support, approve, or conduct various gambling enterprises, as part of their fundraising
programs. Such sponsorship has no sanctifying or transforming power.Gambling is gambling,
and is to be shunned no matter where it is found.
In every concern of life the element of chance is present, and this fact of itself does not
classify an enterprise as gambling. "The element of chance enters very largely into everything
we undertake", President Joseph F. Smith said, "and it should be remembered that the spirit in
which we do things decides very largely whether we are gambling or are entering into legitimate
business enterprise. ( Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed p. 326)
LOTTERIES
Lotteries are one of the most flagrant forms of gambling. Ordinarily they are organized enterprises
in which lots or chances are sold with prize winners being chosen by drawings. The fact that lotteries
are often sponsored by governments, social and civic organizations, and even some churches merely
shows how far these organizations have departed from true gospel standards.
RAFFLES
Raffles are a form of lottery and as such are gambling.
Ordinarily raffling practicescall for a number of persons to pay,
in shares, the valueor assumed value of something and then to
determine by chance which one shall have it.
President Joseph F. Smith counseled "No kind of chance game,guessing contest,
or raffiing device be approved in any entertainment under the auspices of our church organrzatrons.
"The desire to get something of value for little or nothing is pernicious; and any proceeding that strengthens
that desire is an effective aid to the gambling spirit, which has proved a veritable demon of destruction to thousands.
Risking a dime in the hope of winning a dollar in any game of chance is a species of gambling.
Let it not be thought that raffling articles of value, offering prizes to the winners in guessing contest,
the use of machines of chance, or any other device of the kind is to be allowed or excused because
the money so obtained is used for a good purpose. The church is not to be supported in degree by means obtained through gambling. . .
Presidentt Young once said to Sister Eliza R. Snow: "Tell the sisters not to raffle. If the mothers
raffle, the children will gamble.Raffiing is gambling" . . . Some say: 'What shall we do? We have quilts
on hand-we cannot sell them, and we need means to supply our treasury, which we can obtain by
raffiing for the benefit to the poor.' Rather let the quilts rot on the shelves than adopt the old adage,
'The end will sanctify the means.' As Latter-day Saints, we cannot afford to sacrifice moral principle
to financial gain." (Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed., p. 827.)
In answer to the query, "Is it proper to raffie property for the benefit of missionaries?" President
Smith said emphatically, No. Then he gave this suggestion with reference to a horse involved in a particular
case. "Let everybody give a dollar, and let the donors decide by vote to what worthy man, not of their number,
the horse shall be given. No chance about that- it is pure decision, and it helps the people who wish to buy chances solely for
the benefit of the missionary to discourage the gambling propensities of their natures."
(Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed., p. 826.)
By the way it doesn't mention BINGO, but BINGO is considered gambling too.
Mark1616
Post Date: 11th Feb, 2010 - 2:45pm / Post ID: #
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Do you mean like at McDonalds when they print some Monopoly thingy on their soda cups? I don't think it's wrong to have that since they give it to you for a purchase you make anyways. If you were to make the soda/burger purchases simply to get that last monopoly piece to win a flat-screen TV, I think that definitely would be wrong. But I can't quite see a rational LDS doing that...
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QUOTE (OldSouth @ 11-Feb 10, 2:45 PM) If you were to make the soda/burger purchases simply to get that last monopoly piece to win a flat-screen TV, I think that definitely would be wrong.
I don't see it as wrong at all, its not like you're buying it, it comes as a treat with your purchase you know what am I saying?
What about TV show games like The Price is Right and Deal or No Deal? Is it a form of gambling?
Post Date: 11th Feb, 2010 - 4:22pm / Post ID: #
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That's what I meant, if it comes as a treat with a purchase you'd make anyways, than it's fine, but if you make the purchase only to obtain that "treat" that might make you rich, that's when I would consider it gambling.
Good question about the TV shows, haven't thought about that yet.
Post Date: 11th Feb, 2010 - 6:18pm / Post ID: #
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If we all read what Mark has posted and quoted in his posts, we would see that gambling(no matter what shape or form) is offensive to the Spirit and goes against God's teachings of honest labor.
As to t.v. Shows like 'The Price is Right' and 'Deal or No Deal' they too are forms of gambling, and just watching them supports their rating and keeps them on the air; and is offensive to the Spirit. Let us use the Spirit in matters like these. Ask yourself this:'Can you picture God doing this in heaven?' Do you people really think that God is in heaven playing 'Deal or No Deal'? Or that he sits in front of a t.v. And guesses prices while watching the 'Price is Right'?
Let us council with God and abide by His precepts and teachings. Those who find no fault in a little gambling are like the people Nephi warned us about.
QUOTE "2 Nephi 28:8 And there shall also be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry; nevertheless, fear God-he will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, dig a pit for thy neighbor; there is no harm in this; and do all these things, for tomorrow we die; and if it so be that we are guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in the kingdom of God."
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