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28th Mar, 2010 - 3:07pm / Post ID: #

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international QUOTE (Rissa @ 28-Mar 10, 8:51 AM)
But however in the newspaper, and to the public he was made out to be some sort of dangerous monster when he is one of the nicest people I know.

I am not trying to be mean but pedophiles are often described as "nice" people, very polite, social, etc. It does not mean anything really.

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I do not know for sure that his computer was bought at a yard sale but I do know it is an older computer which he did not have a few years prior to the incident. He could have taken it from his mom's house or several other possibilities, however he told me it was bought in a yard sale.


Well, what else can he say? He had child pornography in his computer. A very serious charge.

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I was just shocked to see someone who would not take a penny without asking go to jail over such a pitiful reason. undecided.gif


Child pornography is a pitiful reason to you? It's not to me. I know it's hard to believe this but just because you may think you know someone and they're "nice" etc doesnt mean you really know them. There is a dark side even in the "nicest" of people.


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28th Mar, 2010 - 3:43pm / Post ID: #

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I have known this person my whole life, he has had one girlfriend (which is now his wife who babysits children in their home as a career) and two kids, he works Monday to Friday and comes home to spend quality time with his family. He has severe social anxiety and is very successful, out of everyone I know he would be the closest thing to a role model I have, in fact he is my god-father.

I understand your views and also the stereotypical child molester, but I can assure you he is not guilty of anything. Look at how many people visit "Barely legal teen pornography" websites. In my opinion everyone of those people fall under the same category as him, the police had no evidence that those videos were of underage women, besides they looked a bit shy of 18. In my opinion the person who filmed it deserves to be locked up, and they should state on the website that those children are not of age to avoid this from happening.

As a human being we all have sexual desires, and I can see how age can make you miss being a teen with raging hormones thus being said most people will watch teen pornography (18+) at-least once in their adult life.

The only thing this man is guilty of is having a sex-drive.

The files on his computer were not stored, it was history backtracking several years prior and it was a video that was watched from a website without download.

Reconcile Edited: Rissa on 28th Mar, 2010 - 3:47pm


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28th Mar, 2010 - 4:37pm / Post ID: #

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international QUOTE (Rissa @ 28-Mar 10, 10:43 AM)
Out of everyone I know he would be the closest thing to a role model I have, in fact he is my god-father.


Sorry to hear that its your god-father however I am afraid to say it does not change things no matter how close he is.

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I understand your views and also the stereotypical child molester, but I can assure you he is not guilty of anything.


There is no way you can know this for a fact. I know it's hard to think of a loved one doing things like this but like I said before, I have investigated many, many cases and its more common than you think and denial is frequent in family and friends even with overwhelming evidence. Its tough for everyone involved.

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Look at how many people visit "Barely legal teen pornography" websites. In my opinion everyone of those people fall under the same category as him, the police had no evidence that those videos were of underage women, besides they looked a bit shy of 18.


I don't know his particular case but if he was charged with child pornography then those videos were of minors. Period. There is no chance whatsoever that he will be charged with child pornography and there is no evidence to back it up. Since it is a very serious allegation and charge, the police make sure to investigate every piece of evidence.

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As a human being we all have sexual desires, and I can see how age can make you miss being a teen with raging hormones thus being said most people will watch teen pornography (18+) at-least once in their adult life.


Most people is a huge generalization, I understand your frustration but don't let that make you rationalize the whole situation.

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The only thing this man is guilty of is having a sex-drive.


Well no, he is guilty of possessing child pornography according to the authorities.

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The files on his computer were not stored, it was history backtracking several years prior and it was a video that was watched from a website without download.


What difference does it make? I know its hard to come to terms to this but he faced 14 years in jail (is he serving his sentence right now?). Again, you may think you know someone really well but often times its not the case. Proven over and over and over again. I could make a list of cases where family and friends never suspected absolutely anything and they have only good things to say about a person that was charged with murder or to rape or sexual abuse against children. VERY common.


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28th Mar, 2010 - 5:04pm / Post ID: #

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Did I say years? If I did then I meant months. It was a very light sentence as they had next to nothing on him. The biggest thing they had was when he had talked to the authorities and claimed "Yes I love sex, and I am a very sexually active person, isn't everyone of my age?"

The evidence was stacked against him but I do believe the police just looked at his case as good enough to put him away for a while. The law enforcement is a little crooked around here to begin with. For example I know an officer who purchases drugs from someone I know quite well. I know this because she has purchased and consumed substances with us both in and out of uniform and she is best friends with a family member of mine. Another person has let my jerk of a father away with drinking and driving more than 6 times now.

Not saying there aren't legit officers around here, but it is pretty known that they do what they want to do. The surrounding cities call our police force "Hollywood Cops". As they have the most advanced force in all of Canada and they will bust you over any little thing. Note: I watched a 40 year old man get a $172.50 fine for not wearing a helmet on a bicycle while riding to the corner store on a back road. The distance to the store was less than a mile.

Reconcile Edited: Rissa on 28th Mar, 2010 - 5:05pm


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28th Mar, 2010 - 5:22pm / Post ID: #

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international QUOTE (Rissa @ 28-Mar 10, 12:04 PM)
Did I say years? If I did then I meant months.

No, you actually said months I meant to say months as well, no years.

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It was a very light sentence as they had next to nothing on him. The biggest thing they had was when he had talked to the authorities and claimed "Yes I love sex, and I am a very sexually active person, isn't everyone of my age?"


Rissa the biggest evidence were probably the videos (not that he claimed he loved sex). No one is sentenced to 14 months in jail for saying they're sexually active. I think we both know that.

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The law enforcement is a little crooked around here to begin with.


I do not know your area so I cannot judge, just out of curiosity. Was it a judge or a jury who condemned him to 14 months in prison?

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The surrounding cities call our police force "Hollywood Cops". As they have the most advanced force in all of Canada and they will bust you over any little thing.


Is that a bad thing? I think is terrific that they enforce the laws to its fullest.

Rather off topic, but...
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I watched a 40 year old man get a $172.50 fine for not wearing a helmet on a bicycle while riding to the corner store on a back road. The distance to the store was less than a mile.


The man was clearly on the wrong, no matter the distance, no matter the street he took, he NEEDS to wear a helmet or get fined. It is the law and it was a choice. There are no such things as "little" laws and "big" laws. Thats the problem we have here in the US, people think they can get away with things 'cause in their minds isnt a big deal but its the law and if we love our country we need to respect it no matter how silly it may seem to us.


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28th Mar, 2010 - 5:35pm / Post ID: #

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I was supposed to be a closed court. Turned out it was open to the public, also they said his name would not make the paper (he was on the front page). And it was the jury's decision.

By the way, I am aware that the videos were illegal and we all have accepted the fact that he had to do his time, but now he cannot get a good job as they need a criminal record check, and this post is about healthcare for these people. Everyone has the right to see a doctor, it is not right to let someone suffer. Even convicts in prison deserve a trip to the emergency room if they get stabbed or such.

Reconcile Edited: Rissa on 28th Mar, 2010 - 5:41pm


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28th Mar, 2010 - 5:38pm / Post ID: #

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international QUOTE (Rissa @ 28-Mar 10, 12:35 PM)
And it was the jury's decision.

See? Thats what I'm talking about. Not even the decision of one person but several. I think they did have enough evidence but of course, I will never know for sure.

Going back to the topic, in my opinion child molesters should be put to death. Yes, I believe in the death penalty for people who commit savage crimes specially against children. I'm so tired to read about repeater offenders who continue hurting others. So health care? No way!


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28th Mar, 2010 - 6:04pm / Post ID: #

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Health-care and death penalty are two different things. Especially in America, anyone who pays money should have the right to health-care.

I agree with Canadian standards, free health-care and no death penalty, people CAN change. I know this because I have changed. I was a high-school dropout that turned to selling drugs and hung around / was involved with people that participated in street crimes. I actually changed BECAUSE of psychedelic drugs (which are illegal). I thought myself insane until the weight on my shoulders was too much to carry and I was inches away from suicide. I decided at that moment I was going to change, I went to the police station and handed them just under a pound of weed, 6 viles of weed oil, and an ounce of hash. I told them I was selling and this was the only way I would stop. (only thing I kept was the LSD because this can be charged as attempted man slaughter, but I did not sell this from that point.)

For some reason instead of locking me up they gave me alternative measures. They made me attend anger management, therapy, and 80 hours community service.

I gave my therapist a mental breakdown just by sharing with her what I have gone through in life. The next thing I did after completing my service was find a civilian job and finished highschool. And have been straight ever since besides my ongoing battle with psychedelics (which now I use psychedelic research chemicals which have not yet been criminalized in canada that I can purchase from online vendors for spiritual / self gain.)

And I guess I am also guilty of attending my native family's mescaline / ayuasca ceremonies for religious / spiritual reasons.

The point of this is to say people can change if they want to. But it is rare to find someone with the willpower to change.

Reconcile Edited: Rissa on 28th Mar, 2010 - 6:05pm


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