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  God has explicitly condemned being gay as an abomination       26.92%
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  God will not allow you to be gay if it is against his will       11.54%
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  You are not born gay so you should not be gay       3.85%
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  Gay attraction and homosexual acts are one and the same       3.85%
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  Sometimes through unfortunate experiences people become gay       3.85%
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  There is a difference between gay attraction and the act       11.54%
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  You may have temptations but they should be controlled       7.69%
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Mormon Homosexuality Poster says, "At first I was against it because of the sanctity of marriage and it's eternal purpose, but now I am not sure. I agree that a Temple marriage can only be between male and female. This is because of the religious sanctity of marriage for eternity, for propogation and simply because that is how God intended it. However, the Church recognizes the validity of civil marriages that are only for this life and not eternity, even though this is not how God intended it. "Your view is... ?" Other interests: Gay and serve a mission? Boyd K. Packer's talk about same sex attraction.
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23rd Nov, 2003 - 11:38am / Post ID: #

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Tena, sometimes the laws of the land are not in harmony with the Gospel itself. This whole issue of gay marriages is the proof of that, just because is 'legal' in the eyes of the world, it doesn't make it 'acceptable' in the eyes of God. JB explained really good what the Law of Chastity is, I think most people tend to think that is only for single people but when I teach in the Church (if I have to in Relief Society) I always try to remind them to the sisters that the Law of Chastity applies to married members also, yes, some they seem surprised, I suppose because of the emphasis the Church gives to the Youth on this subject.
Nobody can be excommunicated from the Church for being 'gay', actually I know several members in the Church in my country who are gay and they still being members in good standing, yes, struggling sometimes with their inner feelings but knowing what is right. We cannot pretend that we could accept gay marriages in the Church and not think they will have no sexual relations. They will, so wether they're married or not, they're breaking the Chastity Law and engaging in homosexuality behavior. I know this may sound harsh for our loving members who suffer of homosexuality but this is the will of God. Is our responsibilty as members to love particularly those who are in need and I think we should welcome them in our Church meetings, love them, be friend with them and help them to go through this opposition in their lives. We are 'nobody' to judge other people and we should not do it because like I always say we never know if we or a loved one will be in a similar situation in the future. We all have weaknesses, some weaknesses may seem stronger but they're not, they're just different.



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Post Date: 24th Nov, 2003 - 3:26am / Post ID: #

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There is a reason why Sodom & Gomorah was destroyed.

There is a reason why God made it wrong for gay relationships

It's the same reason why He created Adam & Eve....not Adam & Steve wink.gif

24th Nov, 2003 - 12:50pm / Post ID: #

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Kd, yes you're right but I don't think Tena is saying homosexuality is right, what she's asking is if we should allow gays in the Church to get married since they can lawfuly doing it in some states.



24th Nov, 2003 - 2:26pm / Post ID: #

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Exactly, LDS, I am not at all saying I think homosexual behavior is o.k. I agree that it is an abomination in the sight of the Lord. JB's definition regarding the Law of Chastity would then mean that members married legally, but to same sex partners would, in fact, be breaking this law. This is the first time though that I have seen the Law of Chastity defined specifically to say homosexual sex even if married I have only heard the quote to say no sex outside of marriage and then the follow up was to say this explains why sex between homosexuals breaks the rule because they aren't married. Of course, up until now it was impossible to be married to a member of the same sex so that might explain it. smile.gif JB, from where do you get your source of specifics what the Law of Chastity expressly forbids.



24th Nov, 2003 - 4:25pm / Post ID: #

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JB, from where do you get your source of specifics what the Law of Chastity expressly forbids.


Gospel Principles, GHI, and of course, the scriptures. There are many accounts of this. I might add, that just because a country deems something to be law does not make it 'law' in God's eyes. A good example of this is homosexuality and/or communism and/or dictatorships and/or laws that inhibit worship like in China. China makes a law, but it does not mean God is in agreement. We are to abide by laws, but it does not mean we have to 'enforce' and/or 'promote' them. So although it may be 'legal' by man to have same sex marriages, it does not mean we can now justify our 'acceptance' of it. In fact we should do all to stop such laws from coming into effect just as the Church tries to stop laws making porn easily accessable.



24th Nov, 2003 - 5:26pm / Post ID: #

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Exactly, for instance in some countries abortion is legal and the use of drugs also now do the members of the Church must be involved in such evil practises? no, they should not, whether is legal or not, it doesn't matter....we should not be part of any culture, or tradition of any country even if it's 'legal' that put down our standards as members of the Church and the Church is very strict on its view against these things.

What JB mentioned about the Law of Chastity is widely known, if I have some time I will check some quotes or references for you regards to this issue. smile.gif

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JB's definition regarding the Law of Chastity would then mean that members married legally, but to same sex partners would, in fact, be breaking this law. This is the first time though that I have seen the Law of Chastity defined specifically to say homosexual sex even if married I have only heard the quote to say no sex outside of marriage


Yes they're breaking this Law of Chastity as consequence of homosexual relations, whether they're married legally or not, they're breaking the Chastity Law by having sex with somebody of the same gender. This is explicit forbidden in the Bible and condemn in our Church Doctrine.



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24th Nov, 2003 - 5:47pm / Post ID: #

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Yes they're breaking this Law of Chastity as consequence of homosexual relations, whether they're married legally or not, they're breaking the Chastity Law by having sex with somebody of the same gender.


See, now, in my ward, all anyone says is that the Law of Chastity means no sex outside of marriage. Then they go on to say this is why homosexual sex is not right in that it is no different for any single person if you have sex and you aren't married it is breaking the Law of Chastity. Since I live in a part of the state where many liberals live as well, this probably has been an attempt by members to "justify" the Church's position on homosexual acts.

I think we need to stop trying to justify anything and simply be strong in what the Gospel is and requires without worrying about politcally correctness. I say this because the desire or need for prominent members of my ward to feel like they need to explain the "fairness" of a doctrine and how it is non-judgmental causes confusion. It has for me. The fact of the matter is the policy on homosexual activity is judgmental. The judgment being "if you engage in sex with a member of the same sex it is wrong and you will be held accountable for such behavior."

It isn't for me to judge you personally, I leave that to the Savior, but I need to use judgment all the time in my life and so does the Church.



24th Nov, 2003 - 6:58pm / Post ID: #

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Then they go on to say this is why homosexual sex is not right in that it is no different for any single person if you have sex and you aren't married it is breaking the Law of Chastity. Since I live in a part of the state where many liberals live as well, this probably has been an attempt by members to "justify" the Church's position on homosexual acts.


It seems like some people in your ward need to get the facts straight. I cannot believe that some people wil actually use the Church to justify homosexuality. *shaking head*


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The fact of the matter is the policy on homosexual activity is judgmental.


Yes, of course it is but like the translation of Joseph Smith of the scriptures we are told to not judge unrighteously, but we can judge righteously and if someone is engaging in homosexuality relations they will be accountable in the eyes of God and in the eyes of the Church.




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