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Since when is heterosexual marriage protected under the constitution? I do not think that the constitution says anything about marriage. that is why we tried to create a constitutional amendment that thank God was not passed. the state does not have to create any laws pertaining to marriage. They did our of necessity. Marriage by law is a legal contract. The law does not recognize any religious obligation or rite. The law does not recognize that we are married for time and all eternity. All marriage laws do is regulate a legal contract. If you do not think so work divorce law or mediation and you will quickly see that. Government has the obligation to protect property, personal rights, and to regulate contracts. In marriage law is needed to regulate all of these things. The reason for this is because we marry. We will continue to marry, and always will despite gay marriage. So laws are needed to regulate legal contract.
I the case of Gays, they will live together, own property together, raise kids together, and everything else that we do with spouses. Thus they have to right to have protection of a legal contract like any other person who enters in similar situations. (its not about sex or morality) laws are made because there is a need to protect and regulate relationships and situations. for example, we have driving laws because we invented to automobile, and those laws get more specific because of the more that drive. If we did not drive we would not have driving laws.
As people live in homosexual relationships there has to be laws to regulate and create contracts for such relationships. If you do not think so then how would you regulate taxes, splitting up of assets in breakups, or other issues that happen in all relationships. That is why legally laws are needed to regulate those relationships. It is not a matter of morality or right or wrong, it is a matter of law to meet the needs of its citizens to regulate there contracts and relationships.
I do not think that allowing gay marriage is going to turn the LDS faithful priesthood into homosexuals. I do not think that it will stop all procreation in the world or even reduce it. I think we are safe and the sun will come up like it always does.

Besides do not be surprise if things do not change in the church in a decade about gays. I know from personal experience that one of the new members of the 12 closest brother is gay and has had a relationship with his partner for over 15 years, and he believes that his brother was born homosexual. I prefer not to say who it is because that is his and his family's business. Take that for what it is worth.

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As I was reading the letter from the First Presidency that will be read tomorrow Sunday 29th June in the Californian LDS congregations, I was thinking..besides the whole morality issue that the Church has about Gay Marriages, is it that the Church is concerned about the possibility of LDS men and women who are in good standing that wish to marry someone of their same gender? If they do, is it the Church concerned how they are going to deal with it, hence this constant fight against these laws?

For a copy of the letter that will be read tomorrow click HERE

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It is not, and I do not believe I stated this.

Contracts are already in place that can designate any other person as a power of attorney, both medical and legal. A parent can designate another person as Guardian through contract, Hospitals must treat the designated person as the representative. if it is just a Legal matter all the tools are already there to protect the right of any two adults who want create a contractual relationship.

I agree.

I would be surprised if So called Homosexual Marriages were ever treated with the same respect as marriage between a man and a woman and I doubt the church would recognize the union as valid. Even if such so called marriages were accepted by law, the Church would certainly still restrict Temple recommends from such individuals (as they would if the person was living under any sexual sin) If the Church's policy on this were to change that radically I might seriously reconsider my membership in such an organization.

Rather off topic, but... I foresee a day that laws will be enacted in the United States that will force religious organizations to accept homosexuality and homosexual marriage as natural and accept those practicing such behavior into full fellowship. Consider the many instances of preachers and civic leader in supposedly free nations of the West, who have been investigated and prosecuted for expressing disagreement of homosexuality. This is occurring in places such as Australia, Canada, and England. When the churches in America are restricted, by edict of law, in condemning certain behaviors, our country will have lost its protection as a nation and will fall under Divine condemnation.

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No offense but you sound like those members who said the same thing when the possibility of given the Priesthood to Blacks was around the corner. And yes, many left. Having said that I fully understand what you are saying, of course two completely different topics but as I see the Church becoming more "mainstream" I won't be surprised in the least if this is accepted one day out of worldwide pressure as it happened in 1978 with regards to the Priesthood issue.

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None taken.

But as you say I do not believe they are similar. I would have similar apprehension if premarital sex was accepted as normal and acceptable before the Lord and his Church. I see homosexuality as a sin regardless if it is accepted by mainstream society or not.

Let us look at premarital sex. It is now accepted, celebrated, and a common practice among the world. The Church, thankfully, still believes it is a sin and will not let individuals join the Church or hold a Temple recommend if they are living in such a relationship. Just because mainstream society has embraced premarital and extramarital sex has not influenced the Churches views on such practices.

Homosexuality is such a sin, and I believe the Church will never accept or celebrate it by allowing those who practice it to receive the full blessings of temple attendance. I believe this is so, regardless of a changing society. That is why I could feel comfortable stating that if Homosexual Marriage or Premarital Sex was accepted and celebrated in the Church I would reconsider membership (I am not saying I would leave, but that I would consider leaving.)

I just do not think it will ever happen and I will not have to worry about it.

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I am not speaking about being accepted now but long years ahead. Of course, neither you and I can know for a fact if this will ever happen but I have the feeling it will at some point. The terms the Church used to address homosexuality have dramatically changed over the years.

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I hope Christ comes before then, as I believe He will not accept his Church if it accepts sin as normal and commonplace.

I do believe that the Church is becoming more compassionate. We see that people sin and we should do do everything to bring people back into full fellowship. That is not a change in our view of the seriousness of sin but rather a change in how we deal with the sinner.

I believe we are closer to this statement then we have in the past and I think it is a good thing

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I do not know if Homosexual marriages will ever be treated the same in the church as a heterosexual marriage, that is not my place to make that decision. I also think that the church has a right to live that, and gay marriage becomes legal it is not going to change that right. So that is why I do not see the big scare in legalizing gay marriages. We have a bill of rights and it allows us to not accept homosexuality. The government never told us that we had to change our racist policies in the 60's and 70's about blacks, so I do not think that will be a problem. I am also very careful about pronouncing God's condemnation on any land, or people. I think that there is a lot of other things that would bring God's "condemnation" upon us then homosexuality. (such as most GOP policies and actions that are killing the middle class and the poor.) Read the BOM and you will see that the lord condemns the people for other weighter things then homosexuality.

As for gays having the same rights under law as a marriage couple, that is not so. Like I said work divorce law or mediation and you will see that is not the case. I know from experience. I do not think that the church will and should change there position on sexual sin, but that does not mean that we should not examine it and always look to gain a better understanding of what that means. I think that there will be change as to how we accept our gay brothers and sisters in the church. They may never be able to be sealed in the temple but why can they not have full fellowship, hold callings, teach classes. Why do try to ask much more of them then we do of heterosexuals as regards to personal romantic relationships. We allow straight couples to hold hands, kiss, and encourage them to date as long as they do not get to hot and heavy. But gay brothers and sisters are not even allowed to have any kind of physical affection. So we do ask them to do more then we ask straight members.
What do we do now that more and more evidence suggests that they are born gay? The church now suggests that this may be the case for some. How then would we reconcile that with the plan of salvation, and there promised idea of having joy in there lives. All these questions still face us. I have no answers, but I think that we should perhaps we a little open to these possibilities because we just do not know. I wish we would have learned this lesson with our raciest priesthood policies of the recent past. That things can and will change even to things that we are very sure of. I am not saying that something will change, but we should be open in case that it does.