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1. Personal revelation is just that - personal.

2. No, it does not have to be anything amazing or theatrical. It could be as simple as Joseph Smith saying if certain things happen in the last days then this is a sign of apostasy and then modern leaders saying those same signs are well.

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The only truly infallible person was Christ, but infallibility is not a requirement for being a Prophet. Prophets are just men, but they are men called to testify of Christ.
They will make mistakes, and the lord will let them make mistakes, but my opinion is that the Lord will not let them lead the Church in the wrong direction. I think that part of the equation is a matter of faith, and we will not go wrong in trying to follow the councils of Prophets.

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Dbackers, you saw that Thread I resurrected about the First Presidency on Trial, one has to think why Joseph Smith received revelation on that... not so?

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Just a couple of quotes I came across from comments on a blog.

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Well, this is pretty much the subject that got me banned from a long-term discussion list.

The subject line was "blind obedience." I didn't reply to it for a couple of days, as I tried to decide whether or not to reply. Finally I did. I should not have done so.

Anyway. I pointed out that there is not only no scriptural support for the idea that we should follow the Prophet no matter what, but that the scriptures said that we must make sure that we don't rely on the "arm of flesh." Of course, most Latter-day Saints will say that since the Prophet is led directly by God, this doesn't apply to him.

After someone posted the normal quotes from Wilford Woodruff and various other leaders that came after Joseph F. Smith where they said that the Lord would not allow the church to go astray and that even if the Prophet did stray we would not be condemned for following him, I really got into the discussion.

I pointed out that every Prophet since Joseph F. Smith have subtly made the claim that Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, Lorenzo Snow, Joseph F. Smith, and many other leaders were teaching untrue (as opposed to false) doctrine. Specifically, that all of these men, most of whom were taught directly by Joseph Smith, taught that a monogamous "Temple" marriage was no more effective in exalting a man than if it was performed by the local justice-of-the-peace. They all taught that ONLY through plural marriage did a man obey the Celestial Law. However, beginning with Heber J. Grant, this doctrine was modified to say that it was only the Temple Sealing that was important, and that a monogamous marriage was actually superior to a polygamous one.

I also pointed out that these same men all taught and supported the "Adam-God" doctrine, which President Kimball called a "false doctrine", and which Elder McConkie labeled as one of the 7 great heresies.

I did make the statement that the current and recent leaders had watered down many of the doctrines and/or denied many of them.

Once again, this person jumped on me, since there is no way that any of the doctrines are watered down, and any doctrines that are denied are unimportant.

Anyway, since I stated that current and recent Prophets and Apostles are not perfect, I was accused of picking and choosing what I wanted to hear from President Monson.

Now, this is a subject that I have not talked to my wife a lot about, in detail. Yesterday, we drove to Salt Lake to visit my mother for a little bit. It is about a 40 minute drive, and we talked in great detail about this most of the way there and back. She agreed with me for the most part, since she is still very disturbed by the changes in the Endowment from 1990.

So, here I am, once again deeply considering my own beliefs in relation to the history of our doctrine.

Oh yes, Farseer's quotes are very interesting. I see a vast difference between what President Smith said and what Elder Packer said. Elder Packer's words still imply full and unquestioned obedience to the Prophet, where President Smith's words expressly allow for difference not only of opinion, but of belief and action.

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I am not surprised, really. I find LDS members online in general to be extremely judgmental and intolerant but again we have them in our wards every Sunday, no?

This leader in Church last Sunday jumped on a brother because of a comment he made and said he should no question anything that the Prophet say, we must just follow whatever he says,

Well, that got the best or worst of me and I said that's not scriptural and that we do not believe in the infallibility of Prophets. Of course, the word infallibility throw everyone down (sorry but most people here are not very educated) therefore nobody said anything, they also know I have been a member of the Church for a very long time but what would happen if I wasn't there? It is scary to see how FAST are people willing to follow without even saying they will ask for confirmation!

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The quandary in my opinion boils down:

1. The direction the Church is heading
2. Is the Church focusing more on policy or purity
3. Is the Church in good favor with the Lord, us he still "Well pleased"?
4. Why does the Church feel it needs absolute unquestionable acceptance from the membership?
5. Why are statements made by the Prophet at times that are clearly not true?
6. Are we just all apostates blinded by own foolish limited perspective.

Rather off topic, but... Nighthawk: There are several pages of new Threads here that you have not seen, you may wish to check them out and the interesting 'discoveries' made since your last participation in this section.