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The ironic thing about what you are saying and what some others have said is that this revisits the Joseph Smith First Vision... "Which church shall I join?" For me there is deep sadness and disappointment in that. Following something where the Lord said to Joseph to join none of them and in this day and age we are still wondering, looking, who to follow.

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I was wondering if this quote by Joseph Smith contradicts the more modern approach from other Prophets and leaders who told us/tell us we should be obedient without questioning.

By the other hand, Elder Grant and Marion G. Romney have said:

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That's probably one of the biggest issues I have with this whole discussion: contradictions. Prophets and leaders of the early Church said "don't follow a man, follow God, the Holy Ghost, and Jesus Christ, because a man can lead you astray." Prophets and leaders in the past 50+ years have been saying "follow the prophet because he *can't* lead you astray - ever." That's a contradiction. Even a contradiction to the Church handbook that DBackers quoted.

Truth doesn't change, right? So how much has the Church changed since the Prophet Joseph Smith's time? The Holy Ghost's mission is to reveal truth to us, lead us to truth, teach us truth. I still believe that the Church - in general - teaches us Truth. I also believe that it is our responsibility to understand the Holy Ghost, to be worthy to receive it, to practice what we are taught about receiving personal revelation and apply it to what we hear from our leaders in the Church. It is *our* responsibility to NOT LET OURSELVES be led astray. It's these conversations we're having here that confirm and reinforce that truth.

As Nighthawk said, I see miracles still happening through the holy priesthood, I still receive incredible spiritual enlightenment at the temple and through prayer in the name of my Savior, Jesus Christ. I received personal revelation when my bishop was called that he was the right man; when I saw him that morning, before they even spoke his name, I knew it.

It's up to each one of us to find the truth. We've been given the gift of the Holy Ghost. The Savior Himself teaches to "seek, ask, knock" and "it shall be opened unto you." It's our responsibility to be aware and actively seek the truth of all things through the Holy Ghost, even the words of our prophets. That truth hasn't changed, even if the current tradition in the Church is to follow without question.

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Does it make sense to 'sustain' something that you find contradictory though? The Church indirectly teaches that if you find something wrong with the teachings of the modern Prophet then the problem is you and not the Prophet. Additionally, if we are saying that the Prophet can be so off course with certain key points of Doctrine then is the Church still being led by Christ, because remember it is supposed to be His Church. Will He allow the Prophet to directly say this or that IS current Doctrine when it is not so? That in itself does not make sense.

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In my opinion, Yes. Of course. I think that's the test of the saints, the test of the faithful, and as Nighthawk said -

There will be a "remnant" who will come out of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because they see it happening. So, yes. The Lord will allow this general "slippage" of doctrine because the prophecies have to "all be fulfilled."

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There are also a couple of scriptures that talks about God deceiving Prophets:

In this particular verse though, in the JS version it states that God doesn't deceive prophets.

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Then you believe that the Modern Church will go through an Apostasy like in olden times? If we are to expect something to happen that will greatly awaken everyone to wonder who to follow then what we now hear in Church is pretty much a lie because none of what we are mentioning here is considered "Doctrine". Isn't the famous Primary song: 'Follow The Prophet' set to teach children from early that they should follow the Prophet unquestionably? I hear members talk about the leaders like they are gods and yet I see no mention of Christ at all. I guess what I am trying to say is the whole idea of following a half true Church hypocritical (not you just in general). We can find truth in other Churches as well but it does not mean I will attend them. Are we then saying that we go to Church because it has the most Truth there or because God wants us to attend something that is teaching something contrary. In such a confused world where Truth is very hard to come by I do not see how doing this will be a progressive step. In another Thread I inquired of Nighthwak about something like this and he mentioned things like a fear of his children falling away or the social aspects. Are these reasons? See: Source 2 - It makes me wonder about the aspects of 'worthiness' that is often preached. Who is really worth? None probably.

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It's still the Church of Jesus Christ. The Truth is still found there. It's still HIS church! Over and over in the scriptures the people of God are given opportunities to correct their evil ways, repent, and return to Him. And also over and over are admonitions for those with "ears to hear and eyes to see" to hold fast to the gospel of Jesus Christ and endure to the end.

This tells me that it's still up to us, individually, when we hear contradictions to recognize them and act accordingly. We don't just sit by and watch, or grow bitter, or fall away; we stay true to the precepts that we know are right and are "doers of the word and not hearers only." And that we should stay in the church that Jesus Christ Himself has declared as His - in spite of the fallibility of men. We should stay worthy to receive our own personal revelation from the Holy Ghost to protect us from contradictions, pay our tithing, go to the temple, serve in our callings, and continue to serve the Lord in whatever capacity we can to build the Kingdom here on Earth.

In my opinion, that's how we're protected, that's how we're saved. And at some point, the Lord will come to set His house in order.