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4th Dec, 2008 - 8:26pm / Post ID: #

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Why all this rationalization about tithing? I don't think is wise to be thinking this way. Just give 10% of your increase, is up to us to determine what it means.



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Post Date: 4th Dec, 2008 - 9:02pm / Post ID: #

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Ohh, I thought we were to discuss. Gross or Net?, I'd say gross.

8th Dec, 2008 - 5:23pm / Post ID: #

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Whatever my salary is I just give 10% of that. The way I figure it, the Lord gave me that money so I just give him back 10% of it. I can't get angry with the Lord because men want to take their part too.



8th Dec, 2008 - 5:52pm / Post ID: #

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Why do you deduct expenses in the first case and not in the latter?

In the first my salary is exact. I get paid for what I do. In the other the money comes from what the business does and not necessarily what I personally do. Just how I see it, I'm willing to be corrected if I'm wrong.



Post Date: 10th Dec, 2008 - 8:42am / Post ID: #

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In the other the money comes from what the business does and not necessarily what I personally do.


Well, what if you were the only one in the business? Then the revenue would be entirely up to you and your efforts - similar to being employed.

Post Date: 26th Apr, 2009 - 9:52pm / Post ID: #

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Name: Kyle

Comments: I've always found greater blessings in doing what appears to be the more difficult. In this case paying on gross is more costly and it would be easier to pay a net tithe. I've also heard "do you want net blessings or gross blessings." While I do believe this stance to be a little silly, there is a truth to consider here. The Lord has made the promise to bless us with more than we have room to recieve. Paying an honest tithe grants us the peace that we can rely or depend on the Lord. The question to ask yourself here is are you being honest with the Lord? Are you sure you are paying a full tithe. If unsure, it can't hurt to pay more than maybe you think is required. For myself, I've always believed in paying on gross regardless of the arguments to the contrary. You have to make money to be liable for taxes. The more you make, the more you pay. Taxes are an expense just like gasoline for your car or groceries for the household. The contrarians to paying tithing on gross often say they don't need to because they never saw the money in the first place. Whether you saw it or not, your taxes were derived from the money you earned. What you earn is your increase. Don't sell yourselves short by believing there is a grey area with one of the Lords commandments. His house is one of order and this commandment like every other is very black and white and plain to understand. It's interesting to see how so many try and "look beyond the mark" especially when it comes to money.

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Post Date: 11th Jun, 2009 - 10:24pm / Post ID: #

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Name: Lane

Comments: The revelation uses the word interest, then later interest is explained as increase if I remember correctly. Clearly, the meaning of the word interest does not only apply to the interest earned on a savings account. The word interest also means ownership, as in having an interest in a company. This is the meaning that seems to make the most sense to me in the context of tithing, but go look for yourself.

Taking the meanings of ownership and increase together paints an interesting question. For the typical salary earner, do they have ownership in what is taken as taxes? For most people they never receive the funds and the government has a clear legal right to the funds. The money is set aside for them, implying ownership. Other monies are also set aside for employer paid health costs and insurances.

I guess this line of reasoning comes down to whether or not the money is yours. Do you have ownership and hence control over the funds? I suppose you can choose to not pay your taxes, but that is a bit absurd since this would also be a choice to visit prison - and not as a guest.

Playing with the meanings of the word interest is fun in other ways as well since we have an interest in our government and community and other entities.

Basically, out of fear I pay on gross, because I am not willing to offend God over some money. I wonder how health plans - which vary greatly - should come into consideration?

Post Date: 9th Sep, 2010 - 7:11am / Post ID: #

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I just realized it has gone 2 years since the last time I wrote something in this thread. I think it might be because of the direction in which the discussion was heading.

Anyway, I have studied this topic, among others, much lately, since I am in Afghanistan right now, and time allows me to spend more time studying. It seems the understanding of the law of tithing have changed during the history of the Church. As now it is widely understood that a full tithe is 10% of your gross income. Opposed to earlier where it seems that a full tithe was understood as 10% of your surplus/interest - similar to what D&C 119 says.

In vers 1 the Lord requires all their surplus property, and after that in verses 4-5 the lord requires 10% of all their interest annually.

I think this sheds a completely different light on the law than what is commonly understood today. If I were to start paying tithes for the first time from now on, I would pay 10% from my interest which would be everything after expenses necessary to maintain a minimum of life standard. (Food, clothes, shelter etc.)

Apostle James Talmage published a brochure entitled "The Lord's Tenth". Here are some quotes from that:

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"You have need of many things in this world-food, clothing, and shelter for your family AND YOURSELF, the common comforts of life, AND THE THINGS THAT SHALL BE CONDUCIVE TO REFINEMENT, TO DEVELOPMENT, TO RIGHTEOUS ENJOYMENT. YOU DESIRE MATERIAL POSSESSIONS TO USE FOR THE ASSISTANCE OF OTHERS AND THEREBY GAIN GREATER BLESSINGS FOR YOURSELF AND YOURS. NOW, you shall have the means of acquiring these things; but remember they are mine, and I require of you the payment of a rental upon that which I give into your hands. However, your life will not be one of uniform increase IN SUBSTANCE AND POSSESSIONS; YOU WILL HAVE YOUR LOSSES, AS WELL AS YOUR GAIN; YOU WILL HAVE YOUR PERIODS OF TROUBLE AS WELL AS YOUR TIMES OF PEACE. SOME YEARS WILL BE YEARS OF PLENTY UNTO YOU, AND OTHERS WILL BE YEARS OF SCARCITY. AND, NOW, instead of doing as mortal landlords do-require you to CONTRACT WITH THEM to pay in advance, whatever your fortunes or your prospects may be-you shall pay me NOT IN ADVANCE, BUT when you have received; and you shall pay me in accordance with what you receive. If it so be that in one year your income is abundant, then YOU CAN AFFORD TO PAY ME a little more; and if it be so that the next year is one of distress and your income is not what it was, then YOU SHALL PAY ME LESS; AND SHOULD IT BE THAT YOU ARE REDUCED TO THE UTMOST PENURY SO THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING COMING IN, YOU WILL PAY ME NOTHING. Have you ever found a landlord of earth who was willing to make that kind of a contract with you? When I consider the liberality of it all, and the consideration that my Lord has had for me, I feel in my heart that I could scarcely raise my countenance to his heaven above if I tried to defraud him out of that just rental."


Sorry for the lengthy quote, I just thought it was nice.

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