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Thanks for the explanation, but I need further insight. So is this call to create Zion based on a post nuclear fallout or something similar? Second, I believe this is US based since a country like Trinidad would not be able to really make a significant contribution.

Rather off topic, but... If you do get hold of exact methods for survival with regards to water, please do start a thread about it in the recepies and homemaking section. Thanks.

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Nighthawk, of the two books you mention, The Literary Message of Isaiah, and Isaiah Decoded, which is the easier read?  I ask because this topic interests me, but I have a lot on my plate right now teaching seminary and so don't have a lot of free time for reading outside of preparation for that class.  Also, I think it best to start with the easier more interesting book (milk) and then move on the the more difficult concepts (meat) later.

Also, I find this theory that Nighthawk shared of peoples dreams relating to those with a year' supply being called to the wilderness interesting, but it seems to go against what we have been taught to do with our year's supply.  What I mean is the prophet has said before that he would expect those with a year's supply to help those who didn't in times of need.  Also, there are saints living in parts of the world where it is illegal to store food in such quantities, it is considered hording (sp).  I can't believe they would be found less worthy to participate in the initial building of the New Jerusalem because of where they lived.  I would expect that the most worthy would be gathered from all over the world.  

Of course, this is just my opinion, which is why I would be interested in reading more.  I certainly don't want to be caught in a situation where I didn't prepare because I wasn't fully aware of how things would transpire.

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My understanding, based on the dreams and visions that I have read about it, as well as the ideas from Isaiah, is that it isn't so much a call to create Zion, but a chance to flee from Babylon before it goes through the serious tribulations outlined in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, and Revelation. It is an opportunity for the people involved to begin the process of becoming Zion.

between, all of the dreams and visions have one thing in common. Not everyone who is given the opportunity to flee accepts it.

Isaiah Decoded is definitely the easier of the two to read. However, it only contains references and short quotes from Bro. Gileadi's translation. The Literary Message of Isaiah is difficult to read (but definitely worth it), but contains all of his translation, which is very easy to read.

The literary book goes into great detail about the different deep literary structures, metaphors, types, and shadows that he has discovered while translating Isaiah using keys from the Book of Mormon. They are truly fascinating. If you would like to discuss them more, we can do it in the Isaiah topic.

I would be interested to read any references to what, exactly, we will be required to do with our year's supply. There is a cultural idea that those prepared will share with those who are unprepared, that is sure. However, less than 5% of the saints have a full year's supply. Less than 10% have even three month's worth of food.

Also, if you consider the parable of the 10 virgins as referring to this type of preparation, you will notice that the 5 wise virgins refuse, righteously, to share, as they have only sufficient for themselves. It is harsh, but so was the Flood, among many other examples.

Since I am barely within the 10% regarding preparedness, I am definitely not speaking from any type of self-righteous attitude. Actually, it worries me quite a bit.

Those who are gathered out in the exodus aren't necessarily those who will be considered more "worthy" to be involved in building the New Jerusalem, except in the fact that they will have been obedient in this commandment (to prepare with at least a year's supply). Perhaps this will be the law that receives the blessing of participating in the exodus. I don't know. I do think though, that the exodus is primarily to do with the United States, not the other countries.

Isaiah discusses how the Assyrian King attacks and subdues Egypt, until the Davidic King comes in and destroys the Assyrian King and his forces. Robert Smith seems to think that the Assyrian King will set up camp in Kansas City, Missouri, and that when the Davidic King wins, that he will then begin to build Zion there. If any of this is right, then most, if not all, of the severest tribulations during this period will occur in the US.

(The above is based on the interpretation that Egypt represents the US, the Assyrian King is essentially the Beast of Revelation, and the Davidic King is the "one mighty and strong" of the D&C and Isaiah.)

There are also a lot of people who have had dreams and visions that indicate that during this period there will be two invasions of the US, Russia from the East, and China from the West, while Russian (or UN) forces subjugate the Rockies for a short time. Keeping in mind that these are all apocryphal in nature, it is still something to consider and pray for wisdom about. However, there is a lot of evidence for the idea that the US will be the center of these tribulations, and this is why the Lord would call the saints out of the US.

I am sure that there would be people gathered from other areas, if they were called to participate. As I said, though, it isn't so much to build up Zion, but to allow some to flee the terrible tribulations.

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Comments: About, 3 Months ago, I had a dream in where I was at the church and we were leaving to a place of refuge, after we arrived at this place. I saw aligators in the water. The meaning was to tell me that the water would be dangerous.I never really had a good water storage. Now I do. I have had several other dreams about this place of refuge. I will keep them personal. I shared them with some family and friends and some got well prepared and some blew it off.The thing that caught my attention is that these dreams the majority of them occured prior to me reading about the subject. Seeing that there are others who believe the same helps me know and confirms that I am not nuts. All I can say is that I believe it may happen sooner than we think. My wife and close Family and friends are preparing everyday for this event. I have also ran into a few others outside of my family and friends who have shared this belief. I know it will come to pass and God warns all those who will seek his counsel.

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Name: Cori

Comments: I have read many posts on this site with great interest, and have found some to be quite helpful. This thread really bothers me though. The church does not teach the survivalist mentality. That comes from folks looking beyond the mark. As a Katrina survivor, I can tell you that very few people in urban and suburban settings have a clear understanding of true, raw survival. When I was in CA visiting family later, a sister in RS actually chastised me after I talked about my expeiences for not bringing geneology or photos when we evacuated. We fled with food, fuel, 72-hour kits and our generator. We knew when we left that we probably would lose everything, and when I had to choose, I took the things that would enable my family to live. Scrap books and family group sheets don't fit in that category. Several people froze to death in tents here the following winter (on the Gulf of Mexico). There would be no way to survive further north in a tent. If no rain is falling and the water is bad, and the army doesn't bring any more water, you WILL die. Our rain barrels had sea water in them, and until the next rain (6 weeks later) we were dependent on the military for water. Even survivalists seem to count on basic stability that may or may not exist, such as the ability to grow food. All of the preparedness websites I have seen are long on advice and short on actual experience. A cool little miracle did occur...the side of our home holding the food storage was unscathed, and we fed many of our neighbors with it. We are a block from the beach and should not have had a home when we returned. The Lord will protect us and if we are close to Him we will be where He needs us to be when He comes.

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Name: Rob

Comments: In regard to interests involving the new exodus as described in Gileadi's books, I offer the following observation... many people who have expressed a curious attraction to Gileadi's interpretation obviously detect a "ring" of truth. Each of us drawn to it seems to have the propensity for recognizing and contemplating new truths. The primary center of interest to his works is the identification of a servant called of the Lord, to carry out the duties of "the friend of the Groom" announcing the arrival of his best friend-the Groom-Jesus Christ. The book of Isaiah and others are replete with the description and mission of a man second only in importance to the savior himself. Many observers have offered up thoughts as to who this man will be - from Joseph Smith to John the revelator. While his identity in Isaiah has been couched in secrecy by the use of metaphors, his "true" name may also be couched by the use of a title. Question...Who in the "Eternal" scheme of things, from the time of our pre-earth existence, was chosen as a mouth piece of Christ and the Father to testify of them both and their plan of salvation and serves as a link to them and us? Who among Our Fathers' children has remained an anonymous Testator of the Groom sense the time of Adam until now. Long has he worked anonymously behind the veil on our behalf as well as theirs' to bring us to Christ through his sanctifying power. Now that Christ is very close to returning for his Bride, might not the Grooms' best "eternal" friend, be the one worthy and required to prepare the way?..Personally? Would it not require the sanctifying power of that individual to make the bride acceptable and prepared to meet her Groom? Sometimes in life the the answers to the most perplexing questions are really as simple as the air we breathe... I've never communicated these thoughts via any written correspondence with others and choose to remain anonymous. My reason for breaking silence is that your Love for God and his Gospel and your desire to search out truth wherever it may be found is a passion I share with you and your passion has touched me.

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Name: Rob

Comments: One further comment regarding yesterdays' post...In the last few days in the life of Joseph Smith, he delivered a public sermon in which was conveyed a rather curious remark concerning the Holy Ghost. These remarks were recorded in in the writings of Franklin D. Richards, a member of the Quorum of the twelve who was present at Josephs' sermon.

The remarks are as follows...

I would venture to say that if he intends to arrive here before "Time" as we know it, ends, then he has probably already caught the "Last bus to Earth". Here's a little food for thought...In the book of Isaiah, The Lord is speaking to his servant and trying to enlighten his servants memory regarding a great work that he had been commissioned to perform in the past ie...His leading the Israelites on their Exodus and wandering in desert and entry into the promised land. The Lord is not referring to Moses in his remarks to to the Servant here...he is referring to them all being led by The Angel of the Lords presence. Who might that be? Later near the end of the book of Isaiah, after once again addressing the subject of the Servant, the Lord turns to us and says that the only way we are to survive the Trials and rigors of the New Exodus under the implied leadership of the Servant is to "take the Spirit for our guide". The Lord reminding the Servant of his anti-mortal previous task of leading the Lords children on the first exodus is likened to his present situation of becoming the leader of the Last Exodus. The Angel of the Lords presence,the coming Lords' Servant,(the Man like Moses and The One mighty and strong of D&C), and the Spirit we must take for our guide in these days, are one and the same. Who else among the spirits of our Heavenly Father that we know of, could possibly fill this role. It's one that no one else is more capable of or acquainted with than the Holy Spirit. He's always been around since the time of Adam. Talk about experience as part of a resume that requires One Mighty and Strong to pull this off...I believe he has earned the right and privilege after the eons of time spent behind the scenes working endlessly with each and every soul, bearing our burdens by trying to bring us unto Christ, that he will now, during the last few years of this Earths mortal existence, bring us unto our coming Lord and Savior and his best friend and brother, Jesus Christ. Take courage in the days ahead...Our next Leader will be more than able to tend to our needs.

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I"ve never heard this, do you have any sources?
If there is a trek, I agree that it won't be done on foot, or with handcarts. Remember Brigham Young spent a lot of time and money to bring the Eastern and Western railroads together, so it would be easier for the early Saints could make it to Salt Lake. I have no doubt that if the technology was available, he would have built an airport.