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I would like to thank Rob for his comments. They have given me much to think on. There are those who think that Joseph Smith was the Holy Ghost.

According to Heber C. Kimball, Smith "many times" said: "Would to God, brethren, I could tell you who I am! Would to God I could tell you what I know! But you would call it blasphemy, and there are men upon this stand who would want to take my life." Smith may have come close to revealing his secret identity when he declared in August 1842, according to the record of Franklin D. Richards, that "the Holy Ghost is now in a state of Probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has." If Smith had reference to himself as some Mormons at the time believed, he may well have considered martyrdom as the best conclusion to his mission. --
"Prophet Puzzle" Revisited by Dan Vogel;
Mormon History Association Meeting,
18 May 1996, Snowbird, Utah
Dan Vogel, 1996. Richards quote found in Ehat and Cook, Words of Joseph Smith,p.245. [/Quote]

Cori's remarks trouble ME, yet I find them understandable. He said:

So, Christ is the mark. Who looks beyond it, and how do they do it?

So, these people must fall because they are blind. They got blind by looking beyond the mark. How does the verse describe those who look beyond the mark?
1- They despise plainness.
2- they kill the prophets.
3- they seek for things they could not understand.

So, if a person believes that food storage may be needed to make it through a tough time in the wilderness, one is looking beyond the mark? I don't think so.

Cori criticizes these Exodus believers/ 'survivalists" for assuming certain things such as water. Well, many have had similar dreams indicating these 'survivalist" situations in which there is always a source of water. These ideas rely on laymen revelation (never to be construed as binding doctrine), and the idea that God is watching over his people. I prefer that to the idea that I will rely on the military to survive.

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Oops...I don't own cattle! Or chickens...

I guess I'll be depending on the farmers...hopefully the cattle can move quicker than tanks!

So, in the last days will we still have specialized professions or will we all have to learn how to do everything ourselves? I'm being facetious here, since what I want to say is I can't see a day when everyone has to know how to sew or else go naked. That seems to be one benefit of actually...gathering as a people.

I guess if you want to live a hermetic life when the times get tough that's fine. However, last I heard societies of high specialization in the workforce are much more prosperous than the savages. I don't see why a society like the church couldn't come together and do all those long-term things in a similar way we've always done it. Not everyone was a farmer during the time of Christ, you know.

I wonder if we're going a little overboard with this preparedness stuff. Sure, it's good advice to keep a long storage of food and common sense to learn how to prepare it.

But beyond that, if I'm left alone in this world I'd rather die. I just like people too much.

Oh, and if my life is reduced to butchering cows myself I think it would be a relief to be taken out by a mortar or something before then.

What will we do without our iphones? Or electricity?! The world will truly be ripe to be burned then.

--And I'm not being facetious, either.

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Peeper said:

I love it!

Also:

Agreed. The United Order is nothing if not specialized. Many people see these tent cities as not quite united order, but you can bet there will be trading, etc. Not everyone will know everything.

All that matters is that you have shown that you tried to get prepared.

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Have any of you read the talk by President Kimball based on Leviticus 26? In this chapter the Israelites are given a blessing or cursing based on their choices and behaviors. President Kimball commented on the dishonoring of the Sabbath that he had witnessed in Salt Lake and a recent drought that had been occurring and then he made an incredible comment that struck me hard,

Ensign, May 1977, pp. 4-6)
There may be transportation available to us in days of need, but there may not. There may be food and clothing and shelter, but there may not.
What is important is to seek and follow the Spirit in our preparation and to so what we can. What I have noted in previous posts are people listening and preparing. And I so appreciate the references to Avraham Gilead's books.

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Part of that preparation is security. What's the point of all that food stored if people try to steal it from you? What's the point of a first aid kit if they are trying to kill you. Not to be all paranoid, just talking about the facts of how humans behave when under crisis. Part of preparation needs to be about security. Maybe a shelter. Remember the days when people had shelters in their backyard in case of nuclear fallout? Why did we stop with those?

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Ammon, I appreciate your concern for safety in the midst of turmoil and wondering why we would store when things may be taken from us.

About ten years ago during Stake Conference our Stake President expressed his thoughts about people preparing for conflict with weapons to prevent another Haun's Mill right along with following the counsel of the Prophets to store food. In essence what he said was to know what is real. That having a testimony of Christ would help us more than an Uzi machine gun. That the things of eternity are real and the material things of this world are not. But sometimes it is hard to keep that perspective.

I have pondered a lot on things that are real. And have worked to strengthen my testimony and have faith that prayers are heard, to believe that my voice and name are recognized by a loving Father in Heaven who will help me in all of my endeavors, that my needs are known as are all the seasons of my life.

I know hard times are coming. It has been prophecied. And am in the process of increasing my food storage and medical supplies because delivery of food and supplies to stores from foreign markets is not guaranteed. I am also learning to make soap (at least I have a book to teach me : ) ) and am gathering the supplies for my first attempt. And I am actually attending my wards provident living classes which is a chore for me. I even made an emergency stove which I never thought could have imagined doing.

So what is real if people try or do steal from us? We seek and believe in Christ and do the best we can, listening to the Spirit and not being bitter or vengeful but forgiving. (Hard!) And we start over just as we (our forebearers) have done again and again. And we try not to fear what man may do. This is what I am trying to do and be, faithful in the face of adversity.

Edited: Madri397 on 17th Jan, 2009 - 12:04am

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Well you're thinking more in the offensive and I'm thinking more in the defensive. You need an escape plan, that is what an exodus is, where you leave or escape. See I'm thinking of keeping my stash at a safe location and go there.

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Check this Thread: Nickelsville, the tent cities are already growing.