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15th Jun, 2008 - 8:01am / Post ID: #

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After the incident of this member coming to Church with a machete and threaten one of the counselors and nobody from the Branch leadership or District leadership mentioning the incident at all to the members after the episode, like it never happened!
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But to be honest...if you read the five pages of this thread and see what really is like Church in Trinidad, I won't be surprised in the least if this alleged pedophile comes tomorrow, smiles to everybody including this leader, gets baptized and even held a calling. What about these facts? What about it? This is Trinidad, where like the three monkeys nobody sees, nobody talks, nobody listens.

I wish I had some answers that would help. Has anyone spoken with your stake or mission leadership about what has been going on? If so, did they respond as poorly as your local leadership? If so, I think I would be tempted to contact Salt Lake for advice on what can be done. It does not sound like the handbook is being followed concerning these events. As you mentioned, I am sure there are some good people in your ward, but it also sounds like there are some who are misguided or perhaps apathetic?



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15th Jun, 2008 - 10:54am / Post ID: #

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Unfortunately, it is not about the Church here only but the culture, the mind set and the laid back attitude of the people which unfortunately they do not leave at the waters of baptism. You should browse the Trinidad & Tobago Boards to see what I mean.



15th Jun, 2008 - 1:22pm / Post ID: #

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Alskann:

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I think I would be tempted to contact Salt Lake for advice on what can be done.


I am not sure if you are aware but all mail and communication with Salt Lake and the "help" they give is by sending your letters and communication back to the local leadership.



Post Date: 16th Jun, 2008 - 7:12am / Post ID: #

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There has got to be some way you could let one of the GA's know because if everything is sent right back to the local leadership nothing will be done because they are part of the problem sometimes. I think the only way to get things done sometimes is to go beyond the Bishop or the Stake President and straight to a GA.

16th Jun, 2008 - 1:35pm / Post ID: #

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Andirules, I have experienced this personally, my sister also experienced it while working in the Church office in our country. When you write a GA the letter you sent (with the private information) goes straight back to the local leadership along with a request of the GA to deal with the issue. Most recently, a leader came to me because of an issue a relative of mine who lives abroad wrote to Elder Oaks. Her letter was sent back to this leader along with the note I am talking about. This is unfortunately, how it works now days.



16th Jun, 2008 - 5:13pm / Post ID: #

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That method works only if the leaders you are talking about are the same as those to whom they would send your letter and the allegation is about a disciplinary level sin / serious crimes or possible law suit. Of course if you "know somebody" then it works better for you. I know, I have been in positions to both see these letters AND to hear the pronouncement of immediate action by top leaders. They are all human, sometimes Members forget that, they will not 'see' your point of view as they do not carry any great Seer stone in their pocket. There have been announcements about it in the past in General Conference.

Now back to the actual Thread. In our own situation I have chosen to not write, or complain, rather I see about the MOST important thing I preside over... my family, the titles of father and husband and patriarch is what will carry me through eons of time, not callings and not positions or 'fun' activities. My son takes all my time - that is my calling - let the Saints in Trinidad work out their own Salvation as they must.



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29th Jun, 2008 - 3:39pm / Post ID: #

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From my own words:

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But to be honest...if you read the five pages of this thread and see what really is like Church in Trinidad, I won't be surprised in the least if this alleged pedophile comes tomorrow, smiles to everybody including this leader, gets baptized and even held a calling.


We haven't reached the baptism and calling yet but he was in Church today with another little boy. I approached one of the leaders who said the police hasn't done anything yet to which I replied if he would at least talk with the guy and find out what happened with his own grandson as well as talk with the little boy and find out where he lives, a contact number etc. But this leader, in few words, brushed me off completely. He showed no interest whatsoever in doing any of these things. It is not the first time though, he acted the same way with the machete incident described in this thread. I just feel so turn-off about the Church here, probably way beyond that.



Post Date: 11th Sep, 2008 - 4:36pm / Post ID: #

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I do not envy your situation, and my heart goes out to you and the people of TT.

How did you come to be there? You clearly were not raised there and you have stepped outside you comfort level to be there. (I am sure you have seen a lot and grown a lot being there.)

If you were trying to make a difference, I would say join the people, become as crazy as they are and stoop down to their level. (Not easy to do.) However, as you are concerned about your safety and families spiritual and physical and mental well being, your plans to leave sound appropriate.

You mentioned,

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So basically I am stuck in a country that I do not want to live,...

You have been in this situation for more than 3 years now. Why are you stuck?Can you tell us about that?

Also, you plan on leaving, how soon?

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