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Until men (in general) can stop thinking of it as a "harem" and women (in general) can begin to view it as potentially beneficial to them, it *cannot* be very widespread.

That is true. I have not thought about it like that before. I mean, have you ever heard Priesthood saying they look forward to it, because...? I am sure that this is the reason why entrance to the final glory will be very deopendent on how we treat our one spouse.

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I have recently found some websites where people (not Mormons) discuss their own polygynist (multiple wife) relationships.  The overwhelming consensus among them is that it is all to the advantage of the women in the relationship - not the man.

From my own observations among Mormon polygamists, most of them take the opposite view, that it is all for the man's sake.  Yet the women are tremendously humble, wonderful sisters.  They help and support each other through everything.

It definitely isn't about having a harem for the man.  There is nothing exalting about having a harem.  However, the man who can justly and fairly lead, as patriarch, a family with the intricate and complex relationships inherent in a polygynist marriage, is obviously progressing.  I think it would take a true Patriarch to do this.

NightHawk

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From my own observations among Mormon polygamists, most of them take the opposite view, that it is all for the man's sake.

Oh? I would really have to study current conditions under which this is practised and those involved to be sure. Since it is not in flow with current Church policy I deem it not important and even  a 'bad apple' for these groups to refer to themselves as 'mormons' since they are out of sink with what is going on.

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I am going to simply post some of my own beliefs and thoughts about this subject.

1.  I believe that the Lord didn't actually command that the practice of Celestial Plural Marriage be discontinued.  I believe that He showed President Woodruff what would happen in the future because of the lack of faith of the saints.  Yes, the future was bleak, but the saints, or at least a large majority of them, were already rejecting or had rejected the principle.

2.  I believe that the attack, by Babylon, on the principle (or The Principle) was not actually against plural marriage, but rather against the political Kingdom of God, and plural marriage was just a handy "cause" to rally the people of the United States.

3.  I believe that Celestial Plural Marriage is the highest Celestial law that we, as telestial beings, can possibly live.  I also believe that it is very difficult to do it right.

4.  I believe that Celestial Plural Marriage, in conjunction with the United Order, represents the only possible path to a truly cooperative society, which at the lowest level represents the Terrestial Kingdom, and at the highest level IS the Celestial Kingdom.  Without this society, we cannot be Zion, let alone part of the Celestial Kingdom.  This isn't just a matter of service to those in need, or of having "no poor among us" but rather a matter of completely cooperative society that begins in the complex cooperative extended family.

5.  I think (not believe) that the Lord sanctions the polygamist groups, if only to act as a "goad" to the Mormons, to keep reminding us of the Law that He once gave us, but allowed us to reject, just as the children of Israel rejected the Melchizedek Priesthood when Moses brought the first tablets down the mountain.

6.  I believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will never again sanction plural marriage.  When people practice it in righteousness, it will be by direct, personal revelation from God.  I believe that this is a matter of spiritual independence, or rather complete spiritual dependence upon God.

I guess there is more, but I am too tired to really think this through as much as it deserves.

NightHawk

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5.  I think (not believe) that the Lord sanctions the polygamist groups, if only to act as a "goad" to the Mormons, to keep reminding us of the Law that He once gave us, but allowed us to reject, just as the children of Israel rejected the Melchizedek Priesthood when Moses brought the first tablets down the mountain.

I do not know if I agree with the word 'sanction'. I think these people just took it upon themselves, sort of like Uzzah did when steadying the Ark.

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6.  I believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will never again sanction plural marriage.  When people practice it in righteousness, it will be by direct, personal revelation from God.  I believe that this is a matter of spiritual independence, or rather complete spiritual dependence upon God.

I think you forget one crucial point. This form of marriage was never a 'personal' thing. It was always sanctioned by someone else and never by the individual man. In the Old Testament it was the Lord himself saying who could and could not do it. In the days of Joseph it was the First Presidency. In the 'Teachings of Joseph Smith' he is quoted as saying... something to the effect that he never thought the brethren to go out and practise plural marriage (meaning, without consent)

Incidentally, this page seems to have some good quotes, but I have not the infobase cd to verify, so maybe someone else can.
https://www.mormons.org.uk/JFS_Teach49.htm

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I did verify those quotes by President Smith.

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I think you forget one crucial point. This form of marriage was never a 'personal' thing. It was always sanctioned by someone else and never by the individual man. In the Old Testament it was the Lord himself saying who could and could not do it.

Here is what I wrote:

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When people practice it in righteousness, it will be by direct, personal revelation from God.

This is not a "personal" thing.  And I doubt that many people outside of the particular family involved will even know about it, at least before the Millenium.  For all I know, this could be happening now.  There are people who claim it does happen, with the knowledge and tacit support of the Brethren.  I don't know for myself, just reporting what others claim.

Having read what Joseph F. Smith said in the Reed Smoot Senate hearings, I believe it is possible.

NightHawk  

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Thanks for verifying.

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There are people who claim it does happen, with the knowledge and tacit support of the Brethren

That is deep. Also it would then be a 'lie'?