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Another point I forgot to make is that the doctrine is already HERE. It was not removed or revoked or rescinded or changed by revelation, but simply "not practiced" due to a vote held by the Saints (most of whom were not practicing it at the time).

Roz

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Farseer, the practise of Plural Marriage was withdrew by revelationand President Wilford Woodruff issued the so called 'Manifesto' directing that it stop.

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God gave a principle, the Saints rejected it. Wilford Woodruff was given permission, by God, to tell the US government that it was stopped. However, it was another two decades before there was any real enforcement of the idea of stopping it. In fact, President Joseph F. Smith entered another marriage several years AFTER the Manifesto. It wasn't until the '20s or '30s that people lost their membership for entering it.

So, if the principle was withdrawn (can an eternal principle ever be withdrawn?) in 1890, then were all those men living in adultery?

The practice was stopped, by the Church. The principle is still in force. And the Prophets were extremely clear that we cannot become Celestial beings without practicing it.

One day soon, something will happen that will cause the Church to be sifted. Only a relatively small portion of the membership will be faithful. I think this principle will be at least a large part of this sifting.

The saints rejected it. The saints rejected the most holy principle that God has revealed for the exaltation of man. We certainly are responsible if we continue to reject it.

IMO, we should be praying every day for the Lord to open the way for us to obey His Celestial laws. Instead, most of us just breathe a sigh of relief that we can't.

NightHawk

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The Lord did not reveal anything to Pres. Woodruff about the doctrine itself being done away with. What was revealed was what would happen to the Church due to persecution and prosecution by the government of the U.S., and that the Saints should decide whether or not to "stop the practice" of plural marriage. The New and Everlasting Covenant was not declared invalid; the practice was discontinued.

Roz

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Okay, it seems like we have to define what Revelation is. Let's see in the back of our scriptures what it says " The english word revelation is translated from a Greek word 'apocaypse', meaning to make known or uncover'.

So whether the Lord specifically told Pres. Woodruf to discontinue the practise or if He allowed the Saints to choose to continue it or not, it is by Revelation to the Prophet that He has done it.

The Lord indeed reveal to Pres. Woodruf about the consequences of Plural Marriage, he did not specifically told them to stop it, we all agree with that BUT he did reveal those truths to Pres. Woodruff. I personally believe that just like Jesus Christ, Heavenly Father use different methods to teach us things, I don't think it was by chance that he allowed the Saints to choose, He did not have any need to do that but as a good father that He is, he taught them a good lesson. Now, like I said before, the doctrine of plural marriage WAS withdrawn from the earth (we are not practising it!) we will start practising after Jesus Christ return, therefore, the doctrine itself is NOT nule, but it was withdrawn until the Lord's return.

Yes, I think a eternal principal can be withdrawn for a while until the conditions to practise it can be the right ones. Withdrawn doesn't mean nule or invalid. Yes, I'm aware of those Saints who continued the Practise of Plural Marriage after the Manifesto, since I don't know the conditions or details of these particular cases, I can make no judgment whatsoever but remember that only after Pres. Woodruf issued the Manifesto again in 1891, he then stated some conditions and consequences to those members who continued the practise of Plural Marriage. He said that those who were found practising it after September 1890 they would be excommunicated.

Yes, the principle is still in force (I wonder often that if it is such an important principle why we do not hear no teachings about it whatsoever in Church). Like I said before, it was stopped, withdrawn, no nule or invalid.

I think you're confusing the word withdrawn with invalid. I know the principle of Plural Marriage is not invalid but since it is no longer on Earth by practising it and by the will of God (you all can say that it was the Saints who choose it that way, fine, but if God wanted it in another way he would have done it, the fact that he allowed it it shows it was His will to do it this way).

Pres. Woodruff had a hard time with his counselors about this issue also and like some of you, the counselors did not regard the Manifesto as a Revelation from God and what Pres. Woodruf said? " "Brethren, you may call it inspiration or revelation, or what you please; as for me, I am satisfied it is from the Lord."


Edited: LDS_forever on 11th Jan, 2004 - 7:19pm

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We don't hear any teachings about it in church because the church has to tread very very very carefully with the concept. The church does not want to be brought under the same kind of condemnation from the government as happened previously, nor does the church want to be seen as supporting or agreeing with the "splinter groups" or so-called "fundamentalists" that still practice polygamy in some areas.

We do agree (based on what I quoted here from your post) that the principle is still in force. And it is still practiced in one form: with the sealing of men in the temple to more than one wife, if they have been divorced or widowed and remarry.

Roz

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Yes, but I personally find that the Church is not handling it in the right way (my humble opinion of course). For instance in a couple of interviews Pres. Hinckley answeredd about Polygamy as it is a bad principle or is no longer a principle in the LDS Church, he said things like "Let's not talk about this anymore, this is behind us" or 'let's close the books of the past'. This is the feeling I get from the couple of interviews I heard when the word Polygamy is mentioned, even in the Church members talk about this subject like whispering, like they're not suppose to talk about it....like it is something wrong. I know how the Church feels about it and the fear that others may get the wrong impression but like my friend Nighhawlk would say, is this a way to please Babylon? because if Polygamy is necessary to Exaltation then I want to learn more about it and I think all members of the Church have that right. Now, don't think I'm a rebel I may be one ;D but I really wish the Church can talk more about our history and the things that we know are important for our Salvation.

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The members rejected it, and we have suffered rather severe consequences because of that rejection. Thus, people don't really want to talk about it, except as a forbidden subject, which it is.

In Utah, people actually get threatened with excommunication (by local leaders) just for studying it and discussing it. The author of a recent book that only looked at the history reported that he was told to stop the publication and disavow it or be excommunicated. He is no longer a member. Also, his wife left him because of the pressure put on both of them. (so it is reported, anyway )

If you want to learn about it, I can guide you to some documents about it. They will soon be 'you-know-where'.

NightHawk