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I was under the impression that the prohibition was agaiinst taking more wives. Are you saying that men were instructed to leave the wives that had already taken?

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Well that is what is up for discussion at the moment, how far was 'Stop' actually used? We know that some still continued and long after the pronouncement was made, but to what end. I am sure people like Nighthawk, who comes from such a line, may have a story to share with us about how his ancestors dealt with it.

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A friend in San Diego went to a church Know Your Religion meeting last night where this very thing was discussed. The woman speaking was a descendant of a family that had been sent to Mexico to keep their family together. The parents were of Dutch descent, and had just emigrated to America. So, they went from speaking Dutch to learning English, then to learning Spanish in a very short time period. (I don't have all the details, we just got done talking on the phone about it. I'll see if I can find more on the web.) There is now an LDS temple in that region of Mexico, and the Saints are very strong there.

So, yes, some were actually sent out to other countries, and maybe even voluntarily left Utah, to keep their plural families intact. I had never heard this before, and it will be interesting to research.

Roz

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OK, this gets into a lot of things. I am not going to get into a lot of depth.

The agreement that the Church made with the US government was that there would be no NEW marriages.

In 1904, 14 years after the Manifesto, at least 2 members of the 1st Presidency and 10 of the Apostles admitted to having continued to live in plural marriage. At least 1 member of the 1st Presidency (Joseph F. Smith) and 6 of the Apostles had entered into new plural marriages. The Salt Lake Tribune published a list of over 200 prominent men who were still living in plural marriages.

The colonies in Mexico were primarily set up to continue the practice of plural marriage, including entering into new marriages. This is also true of Cardston, Alberta, Canada. It wasn't until about the 1920's that people were denied temple recommends and eventually excommunicated for the practice.

For the most part, those who had already entered into plural marriages, even after the Manifesto, were allowed (even encouraged) to continue the family unit.

NightHawk

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Now that does allow us to go into more discussion. Do you have any official references for what you mentioned Nighthawk?

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I know that what Nighthawk has described is what I have been taught or read as true. I cannot remember where or how I came by this knowledge, but that is what my understanding has been as described by Nighthawk. Those who were already in polygamous marriages were allowed to continue but there was a prohibition on new marriages.

I have heard that some colonies were set up to allow new polygamous marriages to continue. I have heard that some of them were sanctioned by the Church and later some colonies were not.

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"Earlier polygamous families continued to exist well into the twentieth century, causing further political problems for the Church, and new plural marriages did not entirely cease in 1890. After having lived the principle at some sacrifice for half a century, many devout Latter-day Saints found ending plural marriage a challenge almost as complex as was its beginning in the 1840s. Some new plural marriages were contracted in the 1890s in LDS settlements in Canada and northern Mexico, and a few elsewhere. With national attention again focused on the practice in the early 1900s during the House hearings on Representative-elect B. H. Roberts and Senate hearings on Senator-elect Reed Smoot (see Smoot Hearings), President Joseph F. Smith issued his "Second Manifesto" in 1904. Since that time, it has been uniform Church policy to excommunicate any member either practicing or openly advocating the practice of polygamy."

https://ldsfaq.byu.edu/emmain.asp?number=145

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Official? No. I cannot find any "official" discussion from the Church on this subject, other than the weak statements in such works as "Mormon Doctrine."

However, you can start with Excerpts from the New Mormon History by D. Michael Quinn at:
https://www.bordeglobal.com/foruminv/index.php?showforum=120/FG_MrmnHsty.txt

Keep in mind that this is the document that (reportedly) got Michael Quinn excommunicated.

I did find this article,
https://www.lds-mormon.com/post-manifesto_polygamists.shtml

The site is very much an anti-Mormon site, but the information seems to be documented. I haven't read much of it.

I have seen, and read some of, the reports from the Reed Smoot hearings, where Elder Smoot was being investigated by the US Senate to be seated as a Senator. Since he was the first General Authority to be elected to a Federal government position, the Senate dug quite deeply into the situation in the state of Utah. During those hearings, President Joseph F. Smith admitted to having lived with his plural wives, and to have entered into another plural marriage on a ship in international waters (out of San Francisco), after the Manifesto.

Finally, I have an electronic copy of Ogden Kraut's booklet describing the many letters, phone calls, and meetings that led to his excommunication. Within that booklet he gave extensive background information on these subjects.

NightHawk