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Things like that will happen... no control, no 'rule' to govern how this is done - plural marriage or should I say extended families... Well you see this is the key... when this was done, it was done via some sort of 'supervision', 'call' or 'appointment'. This was hopefully for Brethren in good standing and more especially, already treated their wife with great respect and admiration. The other thing about the fundamentalist groups I do not understand is by what authority do they practice? I use the word 'authority' because marriages of this nature are only acceptable in a sealed state in the temple, also the civil law does not allow this... lastly, if they say they follow the 'old ways' then who shows them the 'new'? To me this is further proof that we are not ready for this law, and this I feel was the main reason it was taken away from current practise amongst the living, the Saints just were not 'strong' enough to handle it and probably still are not strong enough.

UPDATE: Gaucho, we posted at the same time so I did not notice your question. Actually, the Celestial Order of Marriage was instituted when an Angel of the Lord appeared with drawn sword and 'persuaded' Joseph that this law needed to be kept.

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Click on the link below to read an interesting and highly controversial statement. The author claims Jesus and Joseph Smith appeared to John Taylor in 1886 with a command to ordain some to continue living Polygamy.


https://www.polygamy.com/Mormon/The-Visitat...John-Taylor.htm

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Very interesting reading, however, on this forum we like that you substantiate all quotes and text... in other words, is this an official document of the Church? If so, what is the commentary on it, etc. I am curious to what was meant by this...

'He said that in the time of the seventh President of this Church, the Church would go into bondage both temporally and spiritually and in that day (the day of bondage) the One Mighty and Strong spoken of in the 85th Section of the Doctrine and Covenants would come.'

Also, I do not see the relevance of saying we shall abide by the manifesto yet encourage some to not do so?

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According to polygamists that I am in contact with, there is absolutely no evidence that there is any greater incidence of any type of sexual abuse (incest, statutory rape, molestation) in polygamous marriages than in monogamous ones. It is just that the media make a very big deal about each case that does come to attention.

As they recently pointed out, you never read a headline of "Monogamist Kills Nine in Case of Murder/Suicide" or "Monogamist is Convicted of Child Abuse and Endangerment" although there are hundred and even thousands of such cases yearly. To blame polygamy for the sins of practicioners makes as much sense as blaming monogamy for the sins of ITS practitioners. In fact, if Brigham Young was correct, then strictly monogamous society IS to blame for most of these social ills.

Well, then we should end the discussion at this point, shouldn't we. The only "official" statements are that it is over, finished, and we are excruciatingly embarassed by the whole thing. Also, that anyone who participates in it is committing extremely grave sins (Bruce R. McConkie's statement in The Seven Deadly Heresies). The whole subject is dead, as far as the Church is concerned.

NightHawk

Edited: Nighthawk on 21st Mar, 2004 - 4:22am

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I do not understand that statement in connection with me pointing out that all links, texts and quotes on this board should be substantiated. I did not say we could not discuss it, were it not so this thread would not be so popular, BUT what I AM saying is that if we do use any written material on this board there MUST be background to it. Example... as above... I am offered a link to a reading... where is it from, how do we know who is indicated as the author really wrote it... these are valid, if not basic questions in my mind. I do not want to waste time nor promote heresies if you will...

Although that may or may not be true, having the 'availability' of more to abuse makes it worst in my opinion.

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[QUOTE] UPDATE: Gaucho, we posted at the same time so I did not notice your question. Actually, the Celestial Order of Marriage was instituted when an Angel of the Lord appeared with drawn sword and 'persuaded' Joseph that this law needed to be kept.

I've read that but isn't there a scripture somewhere that says the Devil can appear as an angel of light?

As far as the link i posted above, it is most definetely not an official document of the church, in fact i believe the people who claimed this happened started one of the fundamentalist polygymist churches and use this story to back up their claims.

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Sure, but also in D&C it gives an indication of how to detect this by extending hands, etc. The fact of the matter is that Joseph Smith thaught this for years, I think if it were wrong the Lord would have stopped it then to ensure it was not a widely practised concept.

Okay, you may wish to look over the 'Read Me Post' within this board. Thanks.

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32 pages!!! There is no way I'm going to read all of the posts on this thread. Sorry if I'm "posting blind," but I'll just share some two cents about this whole polygamy thing and be on my way.

First, polygamy is, in actuality, biblical (Old and New Testaments.) Some man, not a member of the church, created a web site called Biblical Polygamy in which he did all of the leg work for us all. He looked up all the scriptural references and, as far as I can determine, he found every last one of them, and then took a look. His findings, and mine after reviewing his research, is that polygamy is entirely biblical. So, the notion of monogamy being the normal saintly behavior doesn't hold up biblically. Book of Mormon-wise, sure, those guys were commanded to have only one wife unless commanded otherwise, at least as far as the Nephites and Lamanites. The Jaredites probably were polygamists.

I suggest people go into that site I linked, look over the evidence, compare it with your set of scriptures and come to your own conclusions. My own conclusion is that anyone who undertakes a study of the scriptures will come to the conclusion that polygamy had the blessing of the Lord in biblical times. This makes Joseph's inquiry about it when translating the scriptures completely understandable, hence our section 132 of the D&C.

My understanding is that polygamy, or plural marriage, has never been discontinued. The only part of it that has been discontinued has been the having more than one living wife at a time part of it. My grandfather was sealed to his first wife, who died, and then he was sealed to his second wife. He's got two wives, long after the Manifesto. But his wives weren't alive and sealed to him at the same exact time, so the U.S. laws were obeyed.

It is my understanding that plural marriage or polygamy will be practiced again in its fullness. When? I don't know, but I believe it will happen prior to the Lord's coming. The church will be going through some great persecutions in the future, more so that anything we've had in the past. The resuming of practicing plural marriage would be a catalyst not only for persecutions but also for cleaning out the church of the dross. Many members who are faithful today would leave the church if plural marriage in its fullness were resumed. The Lord is going to clean house so this may be one of the ways He plans to do it. The law of consecration and stewardships and the translation of the plates of brass would also be catalysts to get everybody hating us and get all the non-valiant among us to depart. These three things are my best bet that the Lord will use to put us through the fire and refine us prior to His coming.