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LDS why I hope polygamy isn't reinstituted. My answer is pretty simple. I don't want to live it in this life. I think it would be a very difficult life. For me, I don't believe I am secure enough as a person to share my spouse with someone else. Emotionally, I don't think I would really get what I need from the marriage. Instead, I would get more insecurity. So, I hope I don't have to live it until I have progressed to a place where I am ready. I don't think that is going to happen on this side of the veil. If it were reinstituted, I would do what I had to do. So, if I were "called" to participate, I would, but it would be extremely difficult and I would rather not have to do so.

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I used to think the same way but more in depht I started studying this topic and pray, I started to realize how wonderful thing it is. I do think is imperative for us to study this doctrine and accept it while we still here on Earth, it would be easier for us than just to do it in the other side of the veil. It is a extremely important doctrine for me, I feel the need to be prepared because really, we don't know when the Lord will reinstituted it again and I hope to be able to accept it and follow it with a smile, knowing its purpose, rather than a frown on my face.

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Below are some old quotes from church leaders defending polygamy. Not only was it accepted, but it appears monogamy was considered a wicked practice.


"Monogamy, or restrictions by law to one wife, is no part of the economy of heaven among men. Such a system was commenced by the founders of the Roman empire....Rome became the mistress of the world, and introduced this order of monogamy wherever her sway was acknowledged. Thus this monogamic order of marriage, so esteemed by modern Christians as a holy sacrament and divine institution, is nothing but a system established by a set of robbers.... Why do we believe in and practice polygamy? Because the Lord introduced it to his servants in a revelation given to Joseph Smith, and the Lord's servants have always practised it. 'And is that religion popular in heaven?' it is the only popular religion there,..."
- Prophet Brigham Young, The Deseret News, August 6, 1862

"It is a fact worthy of note that the shortest lived nations of which we have record have been monogamic. Rome...was a monogamic nation and the numerous evils attending that system early laid the foundation for that ruin which eventually overtook her."
- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 202

"Since the founding of the Roman empire monogamy has prevailed more extensively than in times previous to that. The founders of that ancient empire were robbers and women stealers, and made laws favoring monogamy in consequence of the scarcity of women among them, and hence this monogamic system which now prevails throughout Christendom, and which had been so fruitful a source of prostitution and whoredom throughout all the Christian monogamic cities of the Old and New World, until rottenness and decay are at the root of their institutions both national and religious."
- Prophet Brigham Young Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, p. 128

"... the one-wife system not only degenerates the human family, both physically and intellectually, but it is entirely incompatible with philosophical notions of immortality; it is a lure to temptation, and has always proved a curse to a people."
- Prophet John Taylor, Millennial Star, Vol. 15, p. 227

"This law of monogamy, or the monogamic system, laid the foundation for prostitution and the evils and diseases of the most revolting nature and character under which modern Christendom groans,..."
- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, page 195

"We breathe the free air, we have the best looking men and handsomest women, and if they (Non-Mormons) envy us our position, well they may, for they are a poor, narrow-minded, pinch-backed race of men, who chain themselves down to the law of monogamy, and live all their days under the dominion of one wife. They ought to be ashamed of such conduct, and the still fouler channel which flows from their practices; and it is not to be wondered at that they should envy those who so much better understand the social relations."
- Apostle George A Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, page 291

"Just ask yourselves, historians, when was monogamy introduced on to the face of the earth? When those buccaneers, who settled on the peninsula where Rome now stands, could not steal women enough to have two or three apiece, they passed a law that a man should have but one woman. And this started monogamy and the downfall of the plurality system. In the days of Jesus, Rome, having dominion over Jerusalem, they carried out the doctrine more or less. This was the rise, start and foundation of the doctrine of monogamy; and never till then was there a law passed, that we have any knowledge of, that a man should have but one wife."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses Vol. 12, page 262

"I have noticed that a man who has but one wife, and is inclined to that doctrine, soon begins to wither and dry up, while a man who goes into plurality [of wives] looks fresh, young, and sprightly."
- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses Vol 5, page 22

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The Bill of Rights, USA:

Article III

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

One has to wonder why the Church did not keep voicing its right to practise plural marriage if it is their RIGHT to do so?

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I downloaded it, and I am having a read... now we are introducing polyandry, even if not looked on in that term, it is what it is since the women were still lawfully married to their husbands when Joseph also took them 'in'. To an outsider the act may have been considered adulterous since the LDS belief of marrying for eternity to someone already married would of course - not count by civil law.

Now in my reading of the Katich writing I have found that the first page is rather opinionated when it says, "The nature of the marriages... had little effect during the mortal lives of the women". I am guessing that the presumption is that none of these marriages were physical and that none of them meant anything other than ceremony or in other words, no emotion was expressed to each other to entice feelings that may cause a disruption in their current marriage.

The other presumption here is that the women wanted to spend eternity with Joseph and NOT their current husbands... I wonder if this was considered when they said, 'Yes'? Were the women Joseph chose - unhappy in their current civil marriages?

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UPDATE: Okay, so I finished reading it. It answers a lot of questions we asked within this thread, but one important piece will be based on your acceptance of the 'reason' Joseph did marry women who were already married. Basically it comes down to having the knowledge, but not knowing how to correctly act on it. Joseph saw himself as 'rescuing' women who would not have a chance to be married for eternity. Later they better understand that the dead will get a chance. I can see this in the cases where the husband was a non-member, but not in the case of the bodyguard.

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Let's suppose a man is married to 5 wives and of course he is intimate with each one of them, now because all of them are his wives, can he actually become intimate with more than one at the same time?. What do you think?. The reason I'm asking is because if all of them are married to this man, then they are all entitled and have the right to be part of what this man does, including his intimate life?.

Edited: LDS_forever on 2nd Oct, 2004 - 1:43am

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Now that is a very interesting twist that LDS mentions. It probably wasn't an issue in the 1800's. I don't think there was all this "free love, anything goes" kind of attitude. However, I could see this becoming an issue if the Church ever re-established polygamy.

I guess it wouldn't be braking any moral laws...or would it. What about the women involved? It would definately cause them to be participating in some way in an intimate manner with another woman. That can't be sanctioned. So, I don't think it would be acceptable. Of course, I also know that unless our prophet came out and explicitly said it was not allowed, some would do it. Polygamy would be hard enough to live with, but this would be even harder...at least for me.

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LDS_Forever said:

Including his intimate life with *her* only, in my opinion. I don't agree that one wife has the right to have access to his intimacy with the other wives. No matter if she is wife No. 1 or No. 32, that intimacy with another wife is part of the sanctity of marriage -- each marriage separately.

When you start getting into this sort of thing, you're talking about deviate behavior. (Oy! I can see the troubles beginning if such a thing were publicly discussed!)

As always, in my opinion.
Roz

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I agree with you 100%.

but believe me if Plural Marriage is instituted here on Earth once again then we will have all sort of rationalizations like the one I presented...it may become a real chaos.