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As I have indicated before, I would require specific revelation to participate in Plural Marriage. If I did so, I would NOT join any of the groups such as the FLDS or AUB (Apostolic United Brethren). I would remain independent, unless I received specific revelation otherwise. I believe that we should each be independent as possible, and each of the existing groups have serious problems with the application of authority.

Yes, I would have to get my wife's agreement beforehand. If I were to receive revelation that I was to bring more women into my marriage, and my wife refused, then, yes, I would have to say it would be grounds for divorce, as she would be defying specific revelation.

Yes, a man would most definitely stagnate, as would his wife. In fact, I believe that the Church in general is stagnating because of our refusal to live this vital principle. I have listed elsewhere some of the doctrines, practices, and even ordinances that we no longer have.

Finally, I would NOT seek to establish any sort of group, except for my own family.

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Let me offer a little story here.

A few years ago, I was sitting in a little room at work, during my lunch time. I was just relaxing, practicing my deep breathing exercises. While doing this, I started kind of daydreaming about a city of refuge. I imagined myself, and my family, just as it is now, living in a nice house in the Sanpete Valley of Utah. I guess that I was almost falling asleep, and starting to dream. I saw myself "taking a turn" greeting people as they entered the valley. All of a sudden, I recognized two specific women that I know (they were in my ward at the time), and I welcomed them into my family.

Now what is interesting about this is that I had never even considered any specific person as part of my family. Beyond that, while I was drowsy and falling asleep just moments before, when I "saw" these two women, I got such a jolt that I was suddenly wide awake and alert for the rest of the day. I am NOT saying that this was revelation or a vision. It could easily have been something from my subconscious. But I can say for sure that I wasn't thinking in those directions before. I was very surprised by this. It also got me thinking about the process of how such a family could be organized, how it could work, etc.

I did "daydream" more about it over the following few days, but never with specific people involved. It was more along the lines of being guided, by the Spirit, to specific people as they entered the valley, and inviting them to join our family, not as wives, but as sisters and guests. This would give them an opportunity to get settled, to find homes within the valley, and to make their own lives. I could imagine the type of welcome speech I would offer each, how I would guide them to specific people in the family, and even how we would organize the family. It was very interesting, and very specific in some ways.

Now, I would like to also point out that there was NO consideration for lust or a simple physical desire involved in any of this. Just a concern for the women who would be fleeing destruction, and a general feeling of love for all of my "family" at that point.

And, yes, this "daydreaming" usually occurred just as I was falling asleep. I haven't been able to daydream to the same extent, on the same subject, since then, either.

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So basically you believe someone can receive revelation to enter Plural Marriage independently of Pres. Hinckley and the revelations he receives for the Saints. Basically what I am asking is: Do you believe you can receive a revelation from God of entering Plural Marriage and the Prophet saying God has not sent such revelation?.

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I would prefer to be single rather than be a member of a plural marriage. I believe FarSeer has stated before that she wouldn't mind being a member of a plural marriage. For me, no. The only way this will ever be something I do is if the Lord personally reveals it to me in a way that there is no doubt whatsoever. I have no desire under any circumstances to be party to such a marriage. At least not on this side of the veil.

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Yes, I do. If God gives me a revelation, then I must live up to it.

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O.K. Nighthawk, I have a follow up question, and I hope I am not annoying you with it, because you might feel you have already answered it, but I am going to word it only a little differently to be sure I fully understand your position.

Do you believe that God will give people revelations that are contrary to what he gives the Prophet? In other words, if he doesn't give the prophet a revelation indicating plural marriage should be once again permitted or required or something of that nature, here on the earth, do you think it is possible he will give a member that revelation for themselves?

Now, as I know you are aware, I don't agree with you on the issue of plural marriage, but if I received a direct revelation from Heavenly Father to participate, I would. However, I think the prophets have been quite clear that things are done in order in His Church. So, I do not believe I will ever receive a revelation from Heavenly Father that will direct me to do something contrary to what he has instructed his prophet. I do believe Satan can fool me into thinking he has, though, if I am not careful of how I am living my life and what I am willing to spend my time pondering.

So, if I were asked if I would participate in a plural marriage if I received revelation to do so, my answer would also be yes, but I, personally, don't expect that is ever going to happen until the Prophet first is instructed to reinstitute the practice here on earth.

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Yes, I do believe that Heavenly Father will give individuals revelation specific to themselves.

I believe that God restored the celestial principles, and that they are eternal laws. The people rejected them, so thus rejected the associated blessings. So, God allowed us to languish and stagnate. However, the law is eternal. It is still available for anyone to receive the blessings associated with it.

I don't believe that God ever commanded the Church to NOT practice plural marriage, but that He allowed us to go without the blessings, just as He allowed the Israelites under Moses to go without the blessings of the Melchizedek Priesthood. And, just like with the Israelites, although the bulk of the people went without, some individuals were encouraged and given the Higher Priesthood.

If a man shows up, and claims to be John the Beloved, and calls for reform within the Church, including the immediate practice of Plural Marriage, how will you deal with that? He will be acting in contradiction against the current Prophet. If a man shows up claiming to be Joseph Smith, and goes to set the Church in order, how will you deal with that? Will such messengers be immediately discarded as being counterfeits of Satan? Obviously, most members of the Church would disregard them, simply because they were different. Yet this is the same principle that you are talking about. We all want to wait until the Prophet gives us permission to do what we know is right. Whether it is plural marriage, consecration, whatever. When the Prophet challenges us to read the Book of Mormon, we might consider doing it. When he tells us to pray with our families, okay, we will think about it.

We are NOT to rely on the arm of flesh. It is our duty to go to God about these things. As long as we rely on the arm of flesh, we will not receive the greater blessings.

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Here are some thoughts and requests:

1. Is it that we must physically live this law or accept it? In a way we are asked to accept that in the eternities we may be sealed to more than one wife as the process is already done here, but this is not openly taught. I believe that the Lord wanted to test our ability to live this law, but we failed miserably back then, therefore he gave us an option of which we chose to accept the easier. However, keep in mind that Plural Marriage was not something entered into as one enters to marriage the first time. As far as I understand special permission had to be granted for this, which, if so, means that it is not directly necessary to be practised in this life.

2. Plural Marriage and Celestial Marriage are one and the same and in the eyes of the Brethren back then if they talked about Celestial Marriage it was taken to also mean Plural Marriage, because there were not any restrictions as there is today. However, if there are direct quotes that specifically number that a man should have more than one wife and not merely 'a man must accept Celestial marriage' then I would be interested to see them.

3. Lastly, why would the Lord send John to an individual save that he had made his calling an Election Sure, only in this direct instance could I see such a thing, but I still do not believe that if done in this manner the individual would be asked to pronounce it public so as to seem in opposition to the Church.

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JB said :

"Some people have supposed that the doctrine of plural marriage was a sort of superfluity, or non-essential, to the salvation or exaltation of mankind. In other words, some of the Saints have said, and believe, that a man with one wife, sealed to him by the authority of the Priesthood for time and eternity, will receive an exaltation as great and glorious, if he is faithful, as he possibly could with more than one. I want here to enter my solemn protest against this idea, for I know it is false. There is no blessing promised except upon conditions, and no blessing can be obtained by mankind except by faithful compliance with the conditions, or law, upon which the same is promised. The marriage of one woman to a man for time and eternity by the sealing power, according to the will of God, is a fulfillment of the celestial law of marriage in part--and is good so far as it goes--and so far as a man abides these conditions of the law, he will receive his reward therefor, and this reward, or blessing, he could not obtain on any other grounds or conditions. But this is only the beginning of the law, not the whole of it. Therefore, whoever has imagined that he could obtain the fullness of the blessings pertaining to this celestial law, by complying with only a portion of its conditions, has deceived himself. He cannot do it. When that principle was revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith ...... he did not falter, although it was not until an angel of God, with a drawn sword, stood before him; and commanded that he should enter into the practice of that principle, or he should be utterly destroyed, or rejected, that he moved forward to reveal and establish that doctrine. "
(Journal of Discourses, Vol.20, p.28 - p.29, Joseph F. Smith, July 7, 1878

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