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Mormon doctrine on polygamy Mormon Doctrine on Plural Marriage - This Thread goes deep into all the angles of Mormon Polygamy, the requirement of Celestial Marriage which once encompassed Plural Marriage and the current standing of it with the modern Church. Also deeply analyzed is Joseph Smith's secret practise of it that latter lead to his death. Controversial Mormon Issue.
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29th Dec, 2006 - 4:08am / Post ID: #

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The answer to that is easy to me... would you, in your current cultural upbringing find it easy to be a plural husband sharing your wife with many men? (I believe this is covered in another Thread).



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30th Dec, 2006 - 7:19am / Post ID: #

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If I knew that it was a commandment from God, I would certainly work on accepting it.

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3. It is NOT an easy doctrine to "digest" or accept.


That is what I am asking. WHY?

Here are some thoughts.

1. Women are afraid that they will "lose" their husbands to the other women.

2. Women want to maintain control within their homes. If their husbands have other choices, that control is weakened, if not eliminated.

As we have discussed plural marriage, I think we have covered how unlikely it is that a man who chooses Celestial Plural Marriage would ignore one wife in favor of others. I am sure it would happen, but I think it is far less likely than in current monogamous marriages.

As for the 2nd option, I frequently hear about women who "cut off" the physical intimacy from their husbands. I don't know whether it is a matter of them wanting to punish their husbands, or if they just feel that they should control such things in the marriage. However, I do believe that it is a very common occurrence, inside and outside the Church. It is probably seldom done in an attitude of malice or anger, but it certainly happens.

If there are other women involved in the marriage, legally, then that control is lost. If Ann tries to manipulate her husband this way, he can always turn to Betty or Cindy. If they all gang up on him, then it is clear to all that they are acting unrighteously.

I am sure that this is a source of much marital infidelity. I am not excusing a man who strays, just pointing out that there is a VERY frequent complaint from men in divorce proceedings that their wives have cut them off.

Anyway, just some thoughts on the matter.



30th Dec, 2006 - 12:16pm / Post ID: #

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If I knew that it was a commandment from God, I would certainly work on accepting it.


Of course, the thing you have to think are two important elements:

1. Most women who reject the principles do not know whether it is a commandment of God or not based on the current position of the Church about it.

2. Every woman is different, therefore it will take time to accept this doctrine upon study and faith.

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2. Women want to maintain control within their homes. If their husbands have other choices, that control is weakened, if not eliminated.


This MAY be one reason but the *big* reason is that they do not want their husband to have physical intimacy with other women, who would blame them? *shrugs* As JB pointed out: Just imagine you sharing your wife with other men...Would that be such an easy thing to accept?

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As for the 2nd option, I frequently hear about women who "cut off" the physical intimacy from their husbands. I don't know whether it is a matter of them wanting to punish their husbands, or if they just feel that they should control such things in the marriage. However, I do believe that it is a very common occurrence, inside and outside the Church. It is probably seldom done in an attitude of malice or anger, but it certainly happens.

If there are other women involved in the marriage, legally, then that control is lost. If Ann tries to manipulate her husband this way, he can always turn to Betty or Cindy. If they all gang up on him, then it is clear to all that they are acting unrighteously.


Hmmm..Well, if the husband is a caring and loving one...how could he turn to Betty or Cindy to satisfy his physical needs when Ann is upset with him at the same time? A good husband (whether monogamous or polygamous) will not try to go intimate with his wife/wives knowing she/they are angry or upset about something, if he after knowing that, still wants to satisfy that need, then he is the one acting unrighteously and selfish. The first thing to do is resolve the conflict rather than run to get the other wife in order to please his sexual needs.

Reconcile Edited: LDS_forever on 30th Dec, 2006 - 12:17pm



30th Dec, 2006 - 4:50pm / Post ID: #

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Who said anything about Ann being upset? In my (extremely limited) experience, it isn't a matter of her being upset, it is a matter of control. We have all heard the "jokes" about the 15 year "headaches". I have also been told of specific instances where a wife has decided, unilaterally, that sexual relationships, even within marriage, are ONLY for the purpose of procreation. In these cases, they deny the intimacy because they don't want or expect any more children. Heck, even Brigham Young spoke about this aspect. It is a common situation. Hey, even the New Testament talks about it!

Perhaps it is a matter of economy. Since in a monogamous marriage, the wife holds a monopoly on this part of the marriage, she can demand any "price", or deny its use altogether. But when there are more than one wife in the marriage, this monopoly is broken.

How often do we hear about men who cut their wives off? How often do we hear of women who cut their husbands off? The only time I have heard of men who deny their wives is when they are cheating on them. (Except for some things such as medical or psychological problems such as depression or impotence, in which cases it isn't really a choice)

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This MAY be one reason but the *big* reason is that they do not want their husband to have physical intimacy with other women, who would blame them?


Doesn't this come back to the idea that the husband "owns" the wife, and the wife "owns" the husband?



30th Dec, 2006 - 4:57pm / Post ID: #

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Nighthawk, I believe I brought this up before... do you want to be involved in a polygamous relationship, do you want that now? If not, then why place so much emphasis on it. It seems that you dwell a lot on something that can never be in harmony with current Church policy, and maybe even your current spouse who would have to condone to it as well, so why kick against the pricks?



30th Dec, 2006 - 5:07pm / Post ID: #

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Who said anything about Ann being upset?


Well, you clearly mentioned women trying to "punish" their husbands by cutting off intimacy, why would they do that unless they are indeed upset about something or they are cheating?

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I have also been told of specific instances where a wife has decided, unilaterally, that sexual relationships, even within marriage, are ONLY for the purpose of procreation. In these cases, they deny the intimacy because they don't want or expect any more children. Heck, even Brigham Young spoke about this aspect. It is a common situation. Hey, even the New Testament talks about it!


I never heard of such stories, there are many quotes that can be provided to show this is wrong (intimacy only for procreation purposes).

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Doesn't this come back to the idea that the husband "owns" the wife, and the wife "owns" the husband?


Yes, your point? If your point is that these other women are also his wives, I fully understand, nevertheless NOT easy to accept or digest.

I came to an acceptance of this doctrine after a lot of study and prayer but is not something I would say : "Great! Plural Marriage is here again! Let me fix the rooms so I can accommodate my husband's new wives". laugh.gif Everything takes time...

I know how you feel about the topic, but you did not answer: how you would feel if you have to share your dear wife with many husbands (yep, young and old) This is exactly how some women in the Church feel.



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31st Dec, 2006 - 5:21am / Post ID: #

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QUOTE (LDS_forever @ 30-Dec 06, 11:07 AM)
I know how you feel about the topic, but you did not answer: how you would feel if you have to share your dear wife with many husbands (yep, young and old) This is exactly how some women in the Church feel.

I don't know how I would feel. That is also not something that the Lord has ever commanded, as far as I know. I understand that that is how some (most) women feel. I just wonder if it is a good thing.

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do you want to be involved in a polygamous relationship, do you want that now?


I guess that I would probably have to say yes to that question. I don't expect to, but I do feel a need for it. And, it has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality. What I don't know is whether or not I am ready. I am probably not.

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It seems that you dwell a lot on something that can never be in harmony with current Church policy, and maybe even your current spouse who would have to condone to it as well, so why kick against the pricks?


Because the more I study it, the more important I see it being. Also, the more I see that the Church is increasing persecution in the matter.

As for this question, it was basically asked in another forum, and I wanted to see what response I would get here.



31st Dec, 2006 - 7:02am / Post ID: #

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As a single woman with essentially very little hope of finding a decent husband amongst the currently available single men within the church, let me just say that plural marriage would be an opportunity for single women to have a married relationship that they probably will not in this life. Personally, as I think I've mentioned before, it wouldn't even have to be an intimate relationship. "Name only" would be fine, just as the scripture that this thread starts with states (paraphrased): we'll provide our own food, clothing, and livelihood, just give us your name to take away our reproach.

I see plenty of wonderful men who are already married, and very few wonderful unmarried men. My choices are limited. The more I study about singles in the church, the more I find that the majority are women. The odds are 5 to 1, right now. How much worse is it going to get?

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not out to steal anyone's husband, and I'm not subverting current church policy. But I know an awful lot of wonderful single LDS women who are lonely and hurting, with no options but to endure to the end.




 
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