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Mormon doctrine on polygamy Mormon Doctrine on Plural Marriage - This Thread goes deep into all the angles of Mormon Polygamy, the requirement of Celestial Marriage which once encompassed Plural Marriage and the current standing of it with the modern Church. Also deeply analyzed is Joseph Smith's secret practise of it that latter lead to his death. Controversial Mormon Issue.
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22nd Jul, 2007 - 1:35am / Post ID: #

Plural Marriage: In That Day Seven Women Shall... - Page 59

I was reading some interesting stories given by Dr. Susan Easton-Black concerning some points we have been discussing on this thread. First she shares how Emma took the doctrine of Plural Marriage:

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Plural marriage was a doctrine that came to Joseph Smith early, but was not written down until 1843. It was written down in Nauvoo.  When it was written down, Hyrum Smith volunteered to take the paper - Section 132 - and show Emma.  Joseph said, "Before you take the paper, let's make an extra copy.  You don't know Emma like I know Emma.

So they made an extra copy and Hyrum went to show Emma. Well, he had no luck on this occasion, as Emma took it and tore it apart. So she literally ripped it up.  If you were to say "When was the first day that Emma's name appeared on deed records in Nauvoo?" the answer is the very day that she was shown the document we call Section 132.


She then explains a little better why some married women would be sealed to the Prophets instead of their husbands:

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During Joseph's lifetime and literally until 1890, when it stopped officially by Wilford Woodruff, the man had the choice for time, but the woman had the choice for all eternity. So, sometimes in the very same ceremony that she is marrying Joe Blow that she will choose to be married for time to this man who asked her, but then given the choice for all eternity, she chooses Joseph Smith or Brigham Young or Heber C. Kimball.  In other words, she wants a pretty sure bet - the guy she is currently married to is a good for 60 years, but for eternity she wants to be with a prophet.

So how many wives did Joseph have during his lifetime? The answer is that we can identify Emma plus 32 other women, some of them in the very same ceremony that they"re being married to another man say "I"ll take Joseph for all eternity." Now, when polygamy stopped, that stopped.



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22nd Jul, 2007 - 1:43am / Post ID: #

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Interesting take for something we have been wondering for a long time within this Thread, however what are her sources for this conclusion?



22nd Jul, 2007 - 2:04am / Post ID: #

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I am not sure. She is a well known professor of Church History at BYU as well as an LDS author (wrote more than 20 books and more than 70 articles). Her and her husband traveled to Winter Quarters as well as many other historical sites researching about Church History. They are well-known in the field.

It seems like some women at that time love their husbands very much, but just wanted to spend the eternities with a Prophet. Go figure.

Nevertheless, the issue is not completly clear. She is just mentioning those who voluntarily chose to be sealed to Joseph or Brigham. What about those already married women who the Prophet Joseph somehow forced to marry him? Or the one who was engaged and the Prophet took him as a wife even though she was deeply in love with her fiance and refused to take Joseph as a husband?



23rd Oct, 2007 - 6:18pm / Post ID: #

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A couple of Sundays ago in Gospel Principles Class, a member of the Church asked a question concerning Plural Marriage and his reasoning and the reaction of the other members gave clearly answer to me as why is not a topic the Church openly discuss it or will ever practice it again.

It is such a taboo topic, specially among the sisters that any hint about the topic is utterly rejected. I wish more sisters can be willing to study this doctrine and learn for themselves rather than stick with the basic mentality of "I have to share my husband and that's never going to happen" kind of thinking.



8th Nov, 2007 - 6:40pm / Post ID: #

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This is said in with tongue in cheek.

I was once (or several time to be exact) discussing this topic with my wife and she stated she would be fine with plural marriage if I was willing to agree to two stipulations

1. If she could be the one to choose the women.

2. She had Veto power over any decision I made.

I have complete faith in my wife decisions pertaining to this, because she is continually pointing out women and saying "that's your type"

95% of the time she is right on.



9th Nov, 2007 - 8:48pm / Post ID: #

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Interesting. Actually, from what I understand, the first wife had a lot of say over both the choosing and involvement of the second, third, wives that would be united with the family. However, I think there were cases that the first wife did not agree with the choice the husband made and with was sort of a case where they had to accept it anyway.

Rather off topic, but...
Why is your wife so open about this?

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9th Nov, 2007 - 9:34pm / Post ID: #

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Rather off topic, but...

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Why is your wife so open about this?


My wife and I talk about the history of the Church sometimes, and have asked ourselves if we could live up to Plural Marriage, as well as the Law of Consecration,and actually give up everything that we had in this world.

My wife is very knowledgable in the Gospel and understands that some doctrines are (in her own words) "sometimes difficult to swallow, but we will be given more understanding the closer we are to the Lord"
My wife and I are comfortable talking about most everything, even when the discussion is sensitive. The family,(more precisely to a husband and wife relationship) in my opinion is where mature doctrines can be most constructively explored, as one is ready to explore them.


I think Members in the United States do talk about the so called "hard" doctrines ,like polygamy, more often then people give them credit for. They usually do this with Friends and Family(My dad, who is a science teacher, would often discuss his views on how God uses science and natural laws to create worlds ), but they do not do so openly with non-members or in official Church Meetings because of the Sensitivity of the topics.

Pertaining to other Deep doctrines of the Church(such as Polygamy) I believe we do not discuss them in Church Meetings because, as we see on these forums, members have so many different views and interpretations on what the Prophets have said. Occasionally Plural Marriage comes up in a Gospel Doctrine class, as it is mentioned in a scripture (Especially when we studied the old testament).

I think the consensus was that Plural Marriage is a true doctrine(as many of the congregation had descendants who practiced plural marriage) , but that it was only righteous when the Lord Sanctioned the Practice. I was impressed at the level of Maturity when we discussed that.




9th Nov, 2007 - 9:41pm / Post ID: #

Plural Marriage That Day Women Shall... Mormon Doctrine Studies - Page 59

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I think the consensus was that Plural Marriage is a true doctrine(as many of the congregation had descendants who practiced plural marriage)...

I think this is based on your location. I guess for Members in Utah it may be so, but the rest of the world is fed the usual myths and urban legends such as it being necessary for crossing the plains so women could have a husband. Actually, most Members do not see this as being started by Joseph Smith and think that Brigham was the one that instigated it all.

Rather off topic, but...
How come you have not invited her here to participate?




 
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