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This is why I have left this subject alone for so long. You are of course right in many ways. But doesn't god want to create?

Rather off topic, but... On a personal level: Most of my friends have been women and I don't necessarily want to hump them. I just prefer their company. I spend a lot of time talking to them. I spent a large part of today talking to them and didn't feel anything sexual. I just love them. I was not thinking about making love to them. I am usually easier with them than males, but I have a lot of male friends to. Which gender would you rather spend your social time with? I would say that with me I spend about 70% of my social time with women and the other 30 with my brothers. Half the time I spend with males is talking crap and competing. Most women like me actually. Cant say it is because of my looks either.

I don't mind the whole polygamy thing. Everyone automatical assumes that it is sexual. The only thing I am saying is " that sex may not always be the case".

You all can believe this PC stuff. I don't care.

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Well, actually you are starting to touch on something that we have Discussed somewhere around here and that is the element of love in the marriage union. Yes, marriages grow on love, but whom you procreate with did not seem to be as much an issue in the Old Testament as much as bringing about children, especially boy children. Love was just an added ideal. This of course is all debatable, but the showing of one man with a wife and concubines makes it all plausible. In many societies today love in marriage is an after thought as it is all contractual.

PC stuff? I do not know what you are talking about, however I do not tock if it is a tick of yours but adding the words "don't care" to each point you bring up does not make sense since if you did not care you would not be Posting to the Thread.

Amonhi, you are taking long to read this Thread. You have been beaten by the Seven Women, I was looking forward to read your take on all of it as many who have joined this section seem to fear it because the historical facts are to put it boldly - shocking.

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Rather off topic, but... QUOTE PC stuff? I do not know what you are talking about, however I do not tock if it is a tick of yours but adding the words "don't care" to each point you bring up does not make sense since if you did not care you would not be Posting to the Thread. Good point. I should probably drop the "don't care". It is rather childish. Bite me JB. You like that better?

Another thought on this from my point of view is the fact that I haven't found one women that I want to spend an eternity with much less several of them.

I wish the church would stop making excuses for this part of our history. I should say I wish that members would just accept it.

Good point. I should probably drop the "don't care". It is rather childish. Bite me JB. You like that better?

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History, this is hardly history. When you go into a Temple you can be married and sealed to former wives in the case of where you were married before and became a widow or in genealogy work so Plural marriage is very much practiced today but just for the dead. I mentioned one instance in this Thread (which you should read in its entirety) that one man I knew was married to two women in Celestial marriage at the same time by the Church and it was legal - yes - surprising. Members do not know this - read the Thread if you want to really learn about this Topic. My main interest in it is the the Doctrinal point - that is that Plural Marriage is actually Doctrinal, it was not because the women needed husbands while crossing the plains, but a lot of people are fed this information. In fact they are allowed to believe this either because it is comfortable to do so or because those that teach it are not aware of the Doctrine itself.

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When I saw Revival start that Thread I was wondering if to let it be. He does pose some interesting questions. Of course the depth of the answers are limited because of the Board it is being Discussed on, however Dbackers said something that made me think. Where does God command us NOT to live this law? The last we read on this was that it was a rushed vote to not live it. Also that it was a choice, I do not recall reading that God said it could not be carried out again (hence we still have the practice among the dead). Thus this Topic lives again....

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Alot of those questions were running through my mind and I was trying not to get to deep in to the discussion. I realize I might have shared more then I should have.

I had thought about the fact that a man can be married to more then one woman in the temple in one spouse died, so the law is very much in affect, but of course it is not one of those things that you just throw out there when discussing the Church.

For me, It is a hard doctrine to explain to someone who does not have the prospective of eternal increase and Godhood. Heck I do not even understand the doctrine as much as I would like to.

But I do believe that it is a doctrine that has to be completely followed by both men and women without jealousy and without the base desires that we currently have. If any aspects of the natural man enters the picture then it can only be practiced imperfectly.

I believe it was not necessarily God's will that the practice be discontinued, but more a reflection on the saints inability to live under it without man's normal baseness and jealousy that is so apparent in mankind (as well as womankind).

Could I live it today? Would I want to? I am the first to admit that I may not be ready. That is not however a condemnation of the Law, but of myself.

Revival did ask a very good question, though. Must we be married to more then one wife to be saved. It is kind of an interesting question, in that Mormon's (this is my interpretation) separate salvation and exaltation. One can be saved, and single in the Celestial Kingdom (may dwell in the presence of God as an Angel). But he cannot enter the Highest level in the Celestial Kingdom without the principle of Polygamy according to Brigham Young

Journal of Discourses, Vol.11, p.268 - p.269, Brigham Young, August 19, 1866

Heber C Kimball Said:

It appears that the Doctrine of Plural wives is an essential one for exaltation and we should not teach that it is a dead law. It should be considered a law that is still in affect (in the eternities, like the law of Consecration) and we will have to follow it in order to receive all of the blessings of that God has prepared.

If it is not a dead law, then what is it? It is one, like the law of Consecration, that cannot be followed now to its fullest. Like the aforementioned law ,plural marriage is part of the perfect Kingdom of God that will someday be re-established in practice.

I would suspect it is because of our weakness and inability to follow this and other higher laws, that we do cannot practice it now to its fullest. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if it will be required of us in the Millennium, if not sooner.

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Dbackers, if Plural Marriage is necessary for Salvation as stated by Brigham Young. How such important doctrine is not being taught in Church?

Personally, I WILL be VERY surprised (and I mean EXTREMELY) if we ever practice Plural Marriage again. The Church has been working very hard the past few years to establish a mainstream Christian image of the Church to the world that I personally think they're not willing to jeopardize. If not, see the reaction of people with regards to the position on Gay Marriage. Can you imagine the uproar that Plural Marriage will cause? What happened in Texas with those children of polygamous marriages are just a hint of what could possible happen to us if we ever live it again.

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Dbackers, you need to read through this Thread from the start. A lot of what you have been commenting on has been highly debated in this Thread. Some things we have discovered is that 9recalling from memory):

1. Plural marriage IS Celestial Marriage, in fact that IS what Celestial Marriage IS

2. Plural Marriage was practiced long after the manifesto by both Prophet and Apostle

3. The stopping of Plural Marriage initially was meant to appease the US Government ONLY, not the rest of the world, hence the practice was also done in Mexico, Canada and once by I believe it was Heber J. Grant off the coast of Hawaii

4. After Heber the Church leadership started to denounce the doctrine and practice for whatever reason. I would even dare say they tried to put it as it never happened or was just for the widows who crossed the plains (both myths)

5. Joseph practiced Plural Marriage long before the Church knew about it, he was told to do so by an angel or he would die, thus showing us the vital importance of this. Which makes you wonder, does an eternal ordinance really need a sustaining vote?

6. Today you can be called in for teaching false Doctrine if you teach that Plural Marriage is a necessary ordinance, yet still it is practiced among living (in instances mentioned in this Thread) and the dead.

Have a good read. Lots of eye opening stuff within this Thread.