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What else you can do when the Young Women leaders or RS leaders themselves dress not according to Church Standards?? : |
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If a sister cannot HONESTLY answer Yes, then she should be removed from any position of authority... this gors for brethren also... In my opinion if a member is not worthy to enter the house of the Lord and willing to live to remain worthy, they shuould not be leaders in Zion. |
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You know I have seen Sisters that wear such revealing clothes, or fitted clothes that reveal the line of their garments. They still hold recommends after an interview : The worst is when they say it is too hot, so they don't wear it all the time and they expect you to be understanding of that. |
No, don't say sorry. I fully understand how you feel, and you're so right!!!
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For me I say to them "Wah, it is hot, you don't like it, too bad... Do you really think the savior LIKED Gethsemane or the Cross? NO, he did it that we might be saved... What is our excuse? |
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If a sister cannot HONESTLY answer Yes, then she should be removed from any position of authority... this gors for brethren also... In my opinion if a member is not worthy to enter the house of the Lord and willing to live to remain worthy, they shuould not be leaders in Zion. |
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No, don't say sorry. I fully understand how you feel, and you're so right!!! |
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This are the kind of things that the leaders should say more often to those members who do not respect their garments but you will never hear it : they are more like 'I understand that they may be hot, but please just try it' : It really makes me sick!!!! specially because when I see the sisters in the Church dress (specially the married sisters) I cannot believe they hold callings like Relief Society teachers or even Temple Class teachers!!! : now, gimme a break!. |
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Exactly, the laws and commandments of God are so clear, why the leaders do not see it that way and allow certain members to mock what its sacred? Do you all think I should tell a member when their garments is showing or that's not my place to say it? |
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D&C 42:87-93 - "And if he or she do any manner of iniquity, he or she shall be delivered up unto the law, even that of God. And if thy brother or sister offend thee, thou shalt take him or her between him or her and thee alone; and if he or she confess thou shalt be reconciled. And if he or she confess not thou shalt deliver him or her up unto the church, not to the members, but to the elders. And it shall be done in a meeting, and that not before the world. And if thy brother or sister offend many, he or she shall be chastened before many. And if any one offend openly, he or she shall be rebuked openly, that he or she may be ashamed. And if he or she confess not, he or she shall be delivered up unto the law of God. If any shall offend in secret, he or she shall be rebuked in secret, that he or she may have opportunity to confess in secret to him or her whom he or she has offended, and to God, that the church may not speak reproachfully of him or her. And thus shall ye conduct in all things." |
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D&C 42:87-93 - "And if he or she do any manner of iniquity, he or she shall be delivered up unto the law, even that of God. And if thy brother or sister offend thee, thou shalt take him or her between him or her and thee alone; and if he or she confess thou shalt be reconciled. And if he or she confess not thou shalt deliver him or her up unto the church, not to the members, but to the elders. And it shall be done in a meeting, and that not before the world. And if thy brother or sister offend many, he or she shall be chastened before many. And if any one offend openly, he or she shall be rebuked openly, that he or she may be ashamed. And if he or she confess not, he or she shall be delivered up unto the law of God. If any shall offend in secret, he or she shall be rebuked in secret, that he or she may have opportunity to confess in secret to him or her whom he or she has offended, and to God, that the church may not speak reproachfully of him or her. And thus shall ye conduct in all things." |
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GREAT scripture!!!! now if I read this scripture to the sisters and also tell them that I'm offended by their lack of respect for the Temple Garments, you will hear the shoutings from them from Canada! : I don't know how the members are there but here in Trinidad they're very outspoken so they will not doubt to tell me 'It's not your business' and I'm not the typical girl who will just say 'Okay' and sit down ;D LOL....(yeah, latin blood on me!) But now, seriously, do we really have a responsibility to tell them that? I do feel we do, whether they feel offended or not, because if we don't, we are pleasing Satan and how he works. Some people need to feel embarrassed, it is sad but true. They cannot mock what is sacred! it's wrong!.... Wanlorn, you gave me now the strength to say something if I see a sister showing their garments with unproper clothing!. |
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I'm also very outspoken, when I was a Visiting Teacher leader, I got lots of 'enemies' you know why? just because I used to call the sisters often to make sure they did their visits, they always had an excuse and they used to say 'I will do it next week' but of course I was there making sure to call again that week and ask...(I think they thought I would not call back) LOL. I also taught in the Relief Society about proper dressing and piercing and tatoos (we have a big problem on piercing here in Trinidad) anyhow, I got another couple of 'enemies' in that class...and the funny thing is that I quoted everything from President Hinckey, I always make sure to quote from the Scriptures and the Prophet so they don't think are my thoughts but the Lord thoughts!. So I know if I mention the garment issue to someone, Â even in the nicest way possible like I try to, it will be a big deal anyway, but you know what? I dont care. I know that's the right thing to do. |
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And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. |
I can honestly say I have not seen this as a problem in my ward with endowed members. The youth are another story. I believe the parents should enforce modest dress with their children from birth. This way, they always have dressed appropriately and it is not a shock to them once they go to the temple and need to conform their wardrobe.
As far as new members and pants, I remember when I joined, the missionary's told me to wear a dress. Now, the Church's official position (as I understand it) is that all are welcome no matter how they dress so no one is willing to offend a new member by telling them how they should dress. I guess part of that is because there really isn't any official policy about it for Sacrament meetings. The Temple is another situation entirely.
How many young boys in your Ward wear shirts and ties to Church? In my Ward very few before the receive the Priesthood. I dress my grandson in a shirt and tie every Sunday and he just knows that is how he goes to church. Since he has done it since infancy, he doesn't object, but when he gets a bit older (currently in Senior Nursery) and none of the other kids in primary wear ties, he might. I have seen this with a few other boys whose parent dressed them in ties on Sunday at some point they start to rebel because other kids don't wear them. Little girls wear dresses, why shouldn't little boys wear ties.